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Rihannsu
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# 11
07-02-2012, 09:47 AM
i doubt that any Dev is tough to beat in any ship. Chances are you ran into a pvp vet. Yes the armitage is out of whack,

If you don't pvp regularly, i guess from you comment about the Tac cube that is the case, an escort with 3x assim + maco shields, 2 shield distro doffs, and a bunch of eng batteries can easily out-tank 3 players

Doesn't make sense, should escorts be glass cannons? Gee, you are right, now go tell the Devs, and maybe before season 29 we get some balance passes.

P.S. There are a few Escort pilots that come to my mind that would fit your description, of course and eng in that thing makes for a great tank
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# 12
07-02-2012, 10:52 AM
give this guy a ribbon for passin a kobayashi maru senario. in my PVP lifetime escorts are in deed glass cannons the guy musta been an engie if he was gettin some serious repair outta his powers. also never ever have 2 sci vessels PVP at the smae time its just a big stalemate that usually goes on for 10 minutes
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# 13
07-02-2012, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by cosmoscola View Post
Just played a roud of PvP with a random group. I was in the Red group along with two others. In the Blue group was An Armitage and, at first, I think to more...
Against klingons I do fairly well with my TAC-Odyssey. Against another Odyssey I manage. But against THAT Armitage.... HELLO!!!!!
When the other people in his team left, it was just that poor Armitage fighting against Me, (Geared Tac-Odyssey), A Fleet escort, And an Galaxy Dreadnought. Alingside this there was My Aquarius escort and the Cheveron Saucer. No matter what we did, or how we did it, he picked us off one by one. And the lowest we got him down to was about 66%
One lucky hit before that, dropped his hull down even more, but that was repaired almost instantly. He only had Re-inforced sheild repair units from his hangar.

Is the Armitage really that Though of a ship that he could withstand that kind of an assault from us? He?s Hull was 42000 -something. My Odyssey have 54 something, and I was lika a bug on the windshield on a train against that thing! And the Healing capabilities where the most amazing I?ve ever seen. Find it hard to belive that one player could manage that, so this get?s me thinking. Was it a DEV playing?? But then, why where there more people in he?s/her?s team just in the start??

I have never seen a ship take that kind of a beating before. Is was really something that you could compare to a Tactical borg cube.

What do you think? Has anyone else encountered this monster before?

I think you encountered a player who is far, far above your ability level.

I think you are wildly over reacting, and I think you need to take a closer look at final hull strengths across the board for all Escorts - which tend to sit in the 39k to 42k generally (bugship can have 44-45K).
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# 14
07-02-2012, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by neos472 View Post
give this guy a ribbon for passin a kobayashi maru senario. in my PVP lifetime escorts are in deed glass cannons the guy musta been an engie if he was gettin some serious repair outta his powers. also never ever have 2 sci vessels PVP at the smae time its just a big stalemate that usually goes on for 10 minutes
The Armitage is far, far from a glass cannon. A Lt. Com. Eng slot and three Eng consoles is more than enough if you use the Lt. Sci for proper resists.

Basically you have to build to counter the Armitage (and to a lesser extent other carriers). It's dumb but what can you do.
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# 15
07-02-2012, 11:23 AM
i use all types of ships. for a long time i leaned toward cruisers for that thick hull. lately i have been using escorts a lot more for the fire power. i am a tac officer. i am pretty tough in my mvae, but the armitage makes the mvae look like a sissy. it is one tough ship. originally i put an omega 12 set on it and it was not that impressive. i then went to a borg set with maco 12 shields and it is totally awesome. i have had several players comment on its obvious DPS. it is a killer.
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# 16
07-02-2012, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by cosmoscola View Post
Just played a roud of PvP with a random group. I was in the Red group along with two others. In the Blue group was An Armitage and, at first, I think to more...
Against klingons I do fairly well with my TAC-Odyssey. Against another Odyssey I manage. But against THAT Armitage.... HELLO!!!!!
When the other people in his team left, it was just that poor Armitage fighting against Me, (Geared Tac-Odyssey), A Fleet escort, And an Galaxy Dreadnought. Alingside this there was My Aquarius escort and the Cheveron Saucer. No matter what we did, or how we did it, he picked us off one by one. And the lowest we got him down to was about 66%
One lucky hit before that, dropped his hull down even more, but that was repaired almost instantly. He only had Re-inforced sheild repair units from his hangar.

Is the Armitage really that Though of a ship that he could withstand that kind of an assault from us? He?s Hull was 42000 -something. My Odyssey have 54 something, and I was lika a bug on the windshield on a train against that thing! And the Healing capabilities where the most amazing I?ve ever seen. Find it hard to belive that one player could manage that, so this get?s me thinking. Was it a DEV playing?? But then, why where there more people in he?s/her?s team just in the start??

I have never seen a ship take that kind of a beating before. Is was really something that you could compare to a Tactical borg cube.

What do you think? Has anyone else encountered this monster before?


The only reason why you failed is because the gap between Elite PVP'ers and the newbies is so huge. Sad to say that only 25% of the 0.1% playing PvP can do that. You've just been unlucky to encounter such a good player.

Same for a good PvPer in an Engineer class, even in an escort, can pretty much outtank 5 to 10 noob pvp'er. Its just the way it is. They can only die at the hand of equally or better PvP'ers which require solid builds and experience with ability timings.
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# 17
07-02-2012, 12:33 PM
Just try to take on daizen@alendiak with 2-3 duders you'll notice whats wrong with engineers when properly played.
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# 18
07-02-2012, 12:34 PM
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He only had Re-inforced sheild repair units from his hangar.
<beard stroke>Shield repair drones probably work regardless of mode for healing (IIRC, that's how they work KDF side) and there's a new DOff active ability for Flight Deck Officers that gives bonus Defense when pets are in recall mode. Stack a few of those in Very Rare, and you'd have mad Defense on an escort.
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# 19
07-02-2012, 01:20 PM
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Just try to take on daizen@alendiak with 2-3 duders you'll notice whats wrong with engineers when properly played.
He was the guy in the Armitage. Damn good one i have to say.
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# 20
07-02-2012, 01:29 PM
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Just try to take on daizen@alendiak with 2-3 duders you'll notice whats wrong with engineers when properly played.
Or 1 duder if it's Zorena. My fellow OPvPers act like Kryptonite and my shields become soggy paper.

Also yeah, I'm the guy in the Armitage the topic creator is talking about.

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Doesn't make sense, should escorts be glass cannons? Gee, you are right, now go tell the Devs, and maybe before season 29 we get some balance passes.
I know I keep repeating myself on this subject, but this is one of the reasons I dumped my cruiser over a year ago. While I may not be able to tank as well as I could in my cruiser, In my fleet-escort/armitage could still tank AND deal real damage (albeit without any real burst).

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Originally Posted by tom61sto View Post
<beard stroke>Shield repair drones probably work regardless of mode for healing (IIRC, that's how they work KDF side) and there's a new DOff active ability for Flight Deck Officers that gives bonus Defense when pets are in recall mode. Stack a few of those in Very Rare, and you'd have mad Defense on an escort.
Thanks for the tip.

Sigh, more Doffs to grind for.

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Originally Posted by cosmoscola View Post
Just played a roud of PvP with a random group. I was in the Red group along with two others. In the Blue group was An Armitage and, at first, I think to more...
Against klingons I do fairly well with my TAC-Odyssey. Against another Odyssey I manage. But against THAT Armitage.... HELLO!!!!!
When the other people in his team left, it was just that poor Armitage fighting against Me, (Geared Tac-Odyssey), A Fleet escort, And an Galaxy Dreadnought. Alingside this there was My Aquarius escort and the Cheveron Saucer. No matter what we did, or how we did it, he picked us off one by one. And the lowest we got him down to was about 66%
One lucky hit before that, dropped his hull down even more, but that was repaired almost instantly. He only had Re-inforced sheild repair units from his hangar.
From what I remember, you were equipped with chroniton torps and beam arrays using eject warp plasma, I can't be sure but I think the escort was equipped with single cannons or dual cannons and turrets, while the Gal-X was initially equipped with beam arrays and Hargh'pengs, forcing me to use a boff that had 2x hazard emitters. Then the Gal-X switched to dual heavy cannons, forcing me to focus my attention on him so I wouldn't stay in his firing arc.

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Is the Armitage really that Though of a ship that he could withstand that kind of an assault from us? He?s Hull was 42000 -something. My Odyssey have 54 something, and I was lika a bug on the windshield on a train against that thing! And the Healing capabilities where the most amazing I?ve ever seen. Find it hard to belive that one player could manage that, so this get?s me thinking. Was it a DEV playing?? But then, why where there more people in he?s/her?s team just in the start??

I have never seen a ship take that kind of a beating before. Is was really something that you could compare to a Tactical borg cube.

What do you think? Has anyone else encountered this monster before?
To be honest, two engineers in cruisers using beams are hardly ever a threat. That is unless they really go over the top in improving their damage potential, like using 2x DEM etc, tetryon glider and calculated use of EPtW. This isn't meant as a slight to you, merely the unfortunate reality that Fed cruisers are usually only good for healing when it comes to PvP. There are of course the odd exceptions.

As a slight tip for you, I'd recommend using tact teams, they'll really REALLY help you tank high escort damage.


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Originally Posted by cosmoscola View Post
I understand. But he managed to do AWSOME damage and kill us with ease. This was the thoughest, and most deadly player ship I have ever seen In-game. And I?ve been playing sence the start. Are you really capable of have that kind of power to your shield?s, that armor, and get that kind of DPS and healing out at the same time. If so, Everyone should get one, no matter what they think of it.
Well thank you very much! Thanks for being a great sport!

As for the damage, it helps as an engineer that I was using 4x dual heal cannons, 3x turrets and two pieces of the omega set (giving me tetryon glider).
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