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# 41
07-03-2012, 06:03 AM
Loving the work on the Tholians.

It's the 25th century. The Tholian starship we saw on TOS was the iconic triangular/pyramidal design. The Enterprise version was a century earlier and identical. I like the fact that you haven't treated them like they have a static technological development and that somehow their ships are still the same over a period of two and a half centuries, while Starfleet has passed through something like ten or twelve generations of starship design (and who knows what's between Ent and TOS besides the Daedalus, Kelvin, and all the many other ships that aren't in canon). Only the Borg can do that.

I like how you've maintained the triangular style of Tholian vessels I think your advancement is spot on. Think the colors should've been the silvery bluish you have but all engine components should be red. Other than that I like the ships, they're recognizable as Tholian.

The EV suit is great and it is excellent taste of you to not make them high power combat exosuits. It is entirely logical that the Tholians who need heat would have even more need of a utility spacesuit than any humanoid species, it's just logical. Only the Klingons, Hirogen, and Jem Hadar by way of their culture would actually have EV suits that say, we have to have weapons on it!

Excellent work please continue...oh and nice job on that story build up too.
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# 42
07-03-2012, 06:30 AM
yes new shineys are greatly appreciated. .

be sure to trouble shoot the audio..
for looping and less repetition..

I think the Iconic tholian Patrol Craft would see great use as a practical proven design..
not as a front line frigate but change to a Coast Guard cutter type mission.

OR as a Mail runner Diplomatic or system patrol as older Starfleet member planet ships did unless the mothballed fleet is called up for emergency.

Old Cannon had the Tholian Hold in a radiation zone harmful to carbon based life..
all empires had a neutral zone and patrol detachment of small fleet watching them suspiciously..

The area would be ripe for Science ships and research.. the Tholians were more xenophobic then the Romulans.
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# 43
07-03-2012, 07:19 AM
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I want the Devs to see this - so I am SUPERSIZING this that their blind eyes might see.

I have been with this game since January 2010 - Yes this very first beta test. And I have dealt with a lot of CRAP from the various POWER THAT BE. Lock Boxes! Zen! But, when you start taking the stuff I have had from the beginning, that is it.

I bought the Limited Box edition on this game from Gamestop in December of 2009. Part of that deal was the acquisition of the TOS Constitution Class ship - YES THE FREAKIN' Enterprise. And word on the street is that it will not be moved into the new Season 6 game play. Do you realize that there are fleets out there doing TOS scenarios as part of their Fleet game play. Ours had TOS Tuesdays for the longest time. We were thinking about revving it. So, are you going to go the next step? Are you going to throw away the TOS package set from the Cryptic Store? What other content are you going to take from us? ARE WE JUST USERS? We spent money on that stuff, and, unless we throw it away, we should still be able to use it!

I HOPE YOU ARE SEEING THESE WORDS - BECAUSE IT IS COMING FROM A PISSED OFF ORIGINAL LIFE TIME MEMBER!!! AND I HAVE BEEN WITH A FLEET SINCE GAME START - FEB 2010!!! PULL YOU HEADS OUT OF THAT DARK PLACE AND PLEASE SEE THE LIGHT!!!

DO NOT TAKE THE TOS CONSTITUTION CLASS SHIP OUT OF CIRCULATION - REFIT IT AND LET IT KEEP ITS ORIGINAL SKIN FOR SEASON SIX!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok, I'm gonna slide past your error regarding the beta and get to the meat of your post.

Your pre-order bonus with the TOS Constitution class flyable ship is a Tier 1 ship, that is how it was sold to you, and you bought it accepting those terms. The TOS Connie has remained in game since it was introduced, has remained a Tier 1 ship, and from what I've read Cryptic has no intentions of removing it from the game as a Tier 1 ship.

What Cryptic has said, is that it will not be getting refitted/retrofitted as a higher tier ship. So you won't be getting a T5/Fleet refit/version.
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# 44
07-03-2012, 07:20 AM
Regarding the Tholians, they're looking great and I can't wait to go up against them, in space and ground!
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# 45
07-03-2012, 08:20 AM
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Tholians in a space suit, er LOL. What an idiotic idea. I mean they use slave races to do stuff they dont wana do you know cryptic they are like the dominion in that respect. So i highly doubt they would have enviro suits.

Also i dont like that big tholian ship i just want to see the tos tholian ships really nothing else. Nothing on ground either cos it ruins the mystery about them as you see in tos. Enterprise doesnt count. :p
No, the Tholians are not conquerors - they are isolated, and prefer not to have any contact with other species unless they need to. Obviously, something has changed that - in Season 6 - is drawing them out of seclusion.

They're not really like the Dominion at all, and either way, environmental suits make sense. How else would they visit other worlds?

I'd honestly recommend reading the Vanguard TrekLit series. It sheds a lot of light on the Tholian way of life (although whether STO Tholians will conform to that has yet to be seen).
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# 46
07-03-2012, 08:35 AM
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No, the Tholians are not conquerors - they are isolated, and prefer not to have any contact with other species unless they need to. Obviously, something has changed that - in Season 6 - is drawing them out of seclusion.
In one set of really, really ridiculous novels, they used slave races to do most of their work and ranked them among each other based on the number of limbs they had. If I remember right they could also weave the web into a giant fist and punch star ships, too, so there's how seriously they were taking things.

But, yeah, in canon, they were isolationist to an extreme. Even having their ambassador assassinated wasn't enough to get them involved in the Dominion War. Not counting temporal cold war hilarity in Enterprise, they never went on the offensive, despite proving their sound superiority over the Federation in the 23rd and 24th Centuries, they only attacked the ships and starbase they felt was too close to their territory and called it a day. In the only on screen attacks, they even gave their target the chance to leave and be left unharmed. Both Kirk and Archer rejected their terms, but they were both given opportunity (and in Kirk's case, entirely reasonable terms) to simply walk away.

They have more in common with the Undine than the Dominion. The Undine are also happy just to be left well enough alone. Based on the dev journal, I also suspect the Tholians may have been drawn into the conflict in the same way - the Iconians or their Romulan pets poked at them until they decided it's time to clean house.

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# 47
07-03-2012, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by mikeward1701 View Post
Ok, I'm gonna slide past your error regarding the beta and get to the meat of your post.

Your pre-order bonus with the TOS Constitution class flyable ship is a Tier 1 ship, that is how it was sold to you, and you bought it accepting those terms. The TOS Connie has remained in game since it was introduced, has remained a Tier 1 ship, and from what I've read Cryptic has no intentions of removing it from the game as a Tier 1 ship.

What Cryptic has said, is that it will not be getting refitted/retrofitted as a higher tier ship. So you won't be getting a T5/Fleet refit/version.
OK - I stand corrected on all counts. - And I should have said the first open beta.
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# 48
07-03-2012, 08:51 AM
Healthy dose of awesomeness!!
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# 49
07-03-2012, 09:14 AM
Sorry, I got caught in the rumor mill. mikeward1701 corrected my mistakes. I post rarely in the STO Forums, so maybe I should keep it to myself until things actually happen.

Mr. Ward, thanks for the correction, and I meant the first Open beta, the precursor for "Tribble", which was basically the month before launch. I did an edit at the beginning of the original post - the statement above to recant what was said. Once it is on the posted it is there forever. Oh! the shame....

On a lighter note - too bad not upping Connie to T5/Fleet Refit. It would have been fun to take on the Tholians with the old ship in Fleet play, or can tier one ships be launched in a Fleet action in that scenario? Would there be anything stopping it?
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# 50
07-03-2012, 10:16 AM
If they ever make a new Star Trek series, I know who they can call to license some good ship designs.
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