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# 11
07-03-2012, 08:34 AM
Maybe Brandon can add this to his list of feedback.
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# 12
07-03-2012, 08:38 AM
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While it is in fact true that CBS has not allowed a T5 connie, it is also a fact that the Excalibur is not a connie. The Connie is a very old ship in STO's time period, while the Excalibur is a brand new ship. Therefore the reason CBS will not allow a T5 connie does not apply to the Excal.
I think it may have more to do with the Constitution silhouette than the ship itself. You can identify the Excalibur and Vesper as looking like the Constitution-class - indeed, they're meant to be 25th Century variants of it, which I think is the real problem.

CBS are very protective over the Constitution, and while they won't say why, I have to wonder if it is related to Abrams in some weird, round about way.
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# 13
07-03-2012, 08:42 AM
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I think it may have more to do with the Constitution silhouette than the ship itself. You can identify the Excalibur and Vesper as looking like the Constitution-class - indeed, they're meant to be 25th Century variants of it, which I think is the real problem.

CBS are very protective over the Constitution, and while they won't say why, I have to wonder if it is related to Abrams in some weird, round about way.
I dont think JJ has anything to do with it. We have the TOS and TMP Connies in the game already, they are just relegated to low level ships. Which, according to the timeline of the game, makes sense. However the Excal is a modern ship in the game time period so there is no reason it should not have a T5 version like the other T2 ships that are getting T5 versions. The Nova, which is also getting a T5 version, is also a dated ship by STO's timeline.
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# 14
07-03-2012, 08:43 AM
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I think it may have more to do with the Constitution silhouette than the ship itself. You can identify the Excalibur and Vesper as looking like the Constitution-class - indeed, they're meant to be 25th Century variants of it, which I think is the real problem.
Sorry, that point could "maybe" be made about the Exeter (which would still annoy me a lot) but the Excalibur and especially the Vesper are different enough. And Cryptic always claimed that CBS had banned the Constitution from higher tiers, they never said "any ship that remotely looks like one".

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CBS are very protective over the Constitution, and while they won't say why, I have to wonder if it is related to Abrams in some weird, round about way.
That would be more than strange. That thing they called an Enterprise was farther away from a Constitution than the Galaxy-class.
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# 15
07-03-2012, 12:00 PM
Hm... I have a feeling that cpt. Geko's statement "we have enough cruisers" may be a reason for this decision. On T5, Cruisers make the majority of playable ships.
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# 16
07-03-2012, 03:26 PM
Don't you all think we have enough cruisers already? All the ships that have been listed plus the three Odysseys...thats a fair amount of ships, only so much you can do without making something somewhere OP.
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# 17
07-03-2012, 03:49 PM
Who cares about how many cruisers there are? I wouldn't touch most of those bathtubs with a standard issue ten foot pole. I want the ship I love most and had the most fun in.

And overpowered? I think there was a time when a science vessel with a tactical lieutenant-commander was considered overpowered, now look at the Fleet Nova. There are still tons of possible combinations and no one said that it would have to be a traditional cruiser. I still think that Commander Science, Lieutenant-Commander Engineering, Lieutenant Engineering, Lieutenant Tactical and Ensign Tactical could be an interesting configuration that would strangely fit their ancestry.
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# 18
07-03-2012, 08:20 PM
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Who cares about how many cruisers there are? I wouldn't touch most of those bathtubs with a standard issue ten foot pole. I want the ship I love most and had the most fun in.

And overpowered? I think there was a time when a science vessel with a tactical lieutenant-commander was considered overpowered, now look at the Fleet Nova. There are still tons of possible combinations and no one said that it would have to be a traditional cruiser. I still think that Commander Science, Lieutenant-Commander Engineering, Lieutenant Engineering, Lieutenant Tactical and Ensign Tactical could be an interesting configuration that would strangely fit their ancestry.
Considering every single ship sticks to the general guidelines...sure yes there might be some different boff layouts...but that Nova still has a science commander...every single fleet cruiser still has a engineer commander.

There are a whole lot of cruisers to choose from, and if you don't like any of them well I'm sorry...they can't go pleasing everyone.
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# 19
07-03-2012, 11:44 PM
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Considering every single ship sticks to the general guidelines...sure yes there might be some different boff layouts...but that Nova still has a science commander...every single fleet cruiser still has a engineer commander.
This whole split into cruiser/science/escort was arbitrary to begin with. It has nothing to do with the ships (most sources classify the Intrepid, Prometheus, Nebula and Akira as cruisers) or their crew (the Enterprise had a science commander, the Enterprise-D a tactical commander and the Voyager a tactical lieutenant commander).

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There are a whole lot of cruisers to choose from, and if you don't like any of them well I'm sorry...they can't go pleasing everyone.
Hell no, it would be bad if more people would enjoy the game. They made refits for all T2, T3 and T4 ships except the T2 cruiser, that would be too much. Not mentioning that the "whole lot of cruisers" you are talking about is mostly 2000 C-Points in the store.
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# 20
07-04-2012, 12:23 AM
I wonder if it simply is a case of overreaction? Obviously the Connie isn't coming T5, and obviously the Excalibur isn't a Connie - to us. What if someone at CBS who is involved in this decision doesn't understand the crucial differences between the Connie and the Excalibur and thinks they are basically the same ship?
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