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Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Jul 2012
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# 11
07-11-2012, 08:30 PM
revenant91, I only went to 5, you took my posts to 11 so I'm a bit lost.

As others and myself have said you can use the Multi Vector Module with the Advanced Escort and get the Lt.Com Tac BOFF you want.

You keep saying your trading High Yield 3 for High Yield 1, this is frankly not the case.

You are trading a Tac Lt.Com power (High Yield 3) and a Ens Sci Power for a Lt.Com Sci Power and an Ens Tac (High Yield 1)

If your going to make the comparison at least make it right.

Are you complaining that a C-Store +1 ship is only backward compatible with it's +0 self? What are tying to suggest here that every Federation Escort can use the Multi Vector Module?

I'll agree with you on one point the MVAE is not a great choice for PVP as I think the Defiant & Fleet Escort are better.
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Ensign
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# 12 Mave
07-11-2012, 11:56 PM
I love my MVAE but I deleted that console. I also have the entire Oddy set and I stuck all those consoles on a moth ball hull I use for storage. I use the MVAE as a heavy cruiser for STF play. I dont think of ships as escort, sci, cruiser so much as DD, CL, CA, CVL, CV, BB.

The Defiant by size is a DD and feels like one. Fast supper hard hit hummbing bird bottem. The MVAE by size is a CA and I use her like one. Hits hard enough to hurt but alot more utlaity in an STF thanks to its ability to pack GravWell.

I really like the escorts that give me more utility than just raw dps. I have a decked out Qin raptor on my kling VA tac and to be honest I HATE IT. Yes it is pure cannon and the spec is set to max that dps out. It kills single targets quicker than any other ship I command. At the same time It annoys me to no end being limited to my Doff slots and a small handful of sci and eng abilites to try to keep me alive. My fed VA tac has an MVAE and an Escort Carrier. I much prefer having the Lt. Com not be a tac officer. One serves quiet nicely as a pocket tank and the other handles crowd control like a champ.

My MVAE runs TS1, TS2, CSV2, CSV3 and GW1. I love probe/ bop duty with this boff lay out.

My HEC runs TS1, CSV1, CRF2, CRF3 and EPtS1, RSP1, EPtS 3. Alot less AOE happy but without the well to suck the big waves in to a nice ball I found I needed more single target dakka. Then again nothing says love to the probes in cure like the Photon PDS and a TS1 on a drive by.

Both ships run a pair of TT1 and APB1.

Last edited by azaral; 07-12-2012 at 12:02 AM.
Ensign
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 13
07-12-2012, 04:07 AM
@dknight0001: Thanks to your answers. I want to suggest to give the same possibility of the MVAE choice for return to a basic Bof Setup! I think everyone with Tactical Escort Retrofit and Heavy Carrier Escort need to have this type of choice!!!

And about the MVAE and AE in pvp, I suggest to improve it for the pvp!
I'm asking support from all the users of the community to submit those suggestions to the cryptic!!!
The MVAE Pet problem is the same of Ody and Galaxy, so we have 3 type of ship with 1 problem and none on cryptic think to solve this problem and none of us ask for a solution!!!!
Lt. Commander
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# 14
07-12-2012, 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by charliescot25 View Post
I can see where he's coming from. It's not just the dps those two other ships on the mvam, it's also the fact they are usless now and they die quickly...they would never be crap in the series.

I just feel my money was wasted on this ship with limited fire power when she seperates
i agree pal i to got it when it 1st came available and never use it now
Career Officer
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# 15
07-12-2012, 04:31 AM
I've got the MVAE in my inventory, though have to admit I find it more useful when using my Science toon.

My Tactical toon uses the Sao Paulo - don't know why exactly, but I find it more effective then the MVAE with my tac toon (and I have to say, I love the Sao Paulo - much better nacelle arrangement than the Defiant in my opinion).
Survivor of Romulus
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# 16
07-12-2012, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by revenant91 View Post
@dknight0001: Thanks to your answers. I want to suggest to give the same possibility of the MVAE choice for return to a basic Bof Setup! I think everyone with Tactical Escort Retrofit and Heavy Carrier Escort need to have this type of choice!!!

And about the MVAE and AE in pvp, I suggest to improve it for the pvp!
I'm asking support from all the users of the community to submit those suggestions to the cryptic!!!
The MVAE Pet problem is the same of Ody and Galaxy, so we have 3 type of ship with 1 problem and none on cryptic think to solve this problem and none of us ask for a solution!!!!
The Pet problem extends to the Bortasqu and anything with a Hanger, it's bad AI not the limitations they put on the pets.

I will say the MVAE has more problems due to even when you rejoin your crew is uber low, and the cooldowns are super long. 10 minutes a section and it starts from when you respawn is terrible. It really should be 3 minutes and 1 minute from reform. And I apply that to all Separation style pets. I would even support it being the full 3 minutes if the pet dies.

I'm still not sure we're on the same page with the MVAE BOFF layout, I keep saying it can have the layout of the AE. Having it return to that layout completely defeats the purpose of the ship as a Sci Heavy Escort. You can put the console in the Free AE and get the Tac Comm & Lt.Com BOFFs and have it still fly like an MVAE.
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Ensign
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# 17
07-12-2012, 10:23 AM
I understand you point, for me the problem isn't only the AI, AI with the Damage Rate and the Resistence versus pvp users...
I think they need to reconsider the layout of the C-Ships Bofs or give to all ship more layout choise as the MVAE have!

Last edited by revenant91; 07-12-2012 at 11:13 AM.
Survivor of Romulus
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# 18
07-12-2012, 05:38 PM
I'm still not sure I understand what you mean revenant91 but the Federation has pretty much every possible layout available to an Escort. Don't forget the JH Bug and the Fleet variants coming. I admit 3 of those cost money but that's a heck of a lot more choice than the KDF gets with 2 Escorts (Raptor = Tactical, Garumba = Patrol). Although the Garumba is the Patrol with a 1min cooldown super weapon and so awesome it's not funny. And they do have the universal BoP which loses the Ens for a completely universal layout.

So is your problem the Pets or the Layout? As for the pets usefulness in PVP, like all pets next to useless unless it's Carrier Spam. As an Eng in a MVAE who has nowhere near the DPS of my Tac in a Garumba I find it far easier to defend the Kang in CSE with a Seperated MVAE. Grav Well is just that much more useful in that situation. The pets damage in a small bonus. In PVP I'd use Energy Siphon or maybe even Viral Matrix.

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I was once DKnight1000, apparently I had taken my own name so now I'm DKnight0001.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
Captain
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# 19
07-12-2012, 08:02 PM
You don't use the MVAM for the pets (as silly as it sounds). You use it because it gains the turn rate it should've had to begin with.
Ensign
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# 20
07-13-2012, 07:09 AM
The turn rate of the Tactical Escort Retrofit is better then MVAE...i use MVAE for pets! And stop to think to kang or PVE missions!!! What work in PVP will work PVE too!!! My main problem is the Pets of ALL Ship with Seperation consoles who need to have a different AI from a little small fighter!!! I can't have 2 ship with the same brain of the carrier's pet!!! They are totally different!!!
Those pets don't give support in PVP! They die fast in PVE too!!!

My second problem is: ALL C-Store lev 50 Escorts have the TACTICAL Layout of 4+2+1...and i think the +1 give nothing to the total ammount of damage who can make an escort to someone!!! About this problem i think the Cryptic need to give the same choice of the MVAE to the other lev 50 C-Store Escort.
I think the people need to have the possibilities to use this stupid(personal opinion) 4+2+1 setup, or the setup 4+3 for the tactical side!!!

Stop to think "this ship is for pve, this ship is for pvp", You need only to think "This is a ship with this type of extra".
How someone can use a ship is a problem of the user!!! Not of the cryptic!!! They only need to make ship for pvp and pve but is the player choice to make a ship ideal for pvp or pve!!!
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