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# 11
07-05-2012, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by pwebranflakes View Post
$1 = 100 Zen
$1 = 80 CP
80 Zen = 100 CP

2000 Zen = 1600 CP = $20

You loose nothing in the conversion :When do the
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When does the customer get a break? We are forced to convert fo a new currency, but we do not get the benefit of the of the conversion? Once again inconvenience the customer and do not give them any benefit or incentive to this forced move that no one wants......

Now we have to load zen onto our account......more inconvenience passed on to the customer without any incentive?
As a customer loyalty bonus we should get the conversion benefit as customer loyalty bonus for the nightmare that the sto community has had to endure with no warning and sub standard forums and business practices that have taken place where the rug has been pulled out from under us.

The forums need to be corrected to show our account name and original join date

Maybe pwe has never heard of take care of the customer? Or they will be out business......

Poor treatment of customers and a lack of ethics, bait and switch type business practices turns into complaints to the attorney generals office in which fines and damages are levied, and denial of operating privileges occur. Something to think about. A consumer only has to show the intent to defraud by the preponderance of the evidence, and pwe is making a great case for the community.

So the moral of the story is do right by you customers, do not be the idiots that makes case law for being to short sided to communicate and compensate your customer for mis management of their accounts without giving people who have made a payment for a service that they resonably thought the quality would not decline or be inconvenienced by any poor planned transition

This has been a public service message from the common sense fairy
Thank you

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# 12
07-05-2012, 12:16 PM
Go for it, nobody's stopping you. I love it when the legal system gets clogged up by "concerned citizens".
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# 13
07-05-2012, 12:17 PM
I laugh that so many people choose to show thier mathematical prowness, but it really wasn't needed. Before you had to merge , you could chose a Cryptic account or a PWE account. Both used different prices for Zen/C-point ratio. If you had a Crpytic account you received more c-points for your money vs Zen/C-point conversion. The people you see here QQing are the people who had Cryptic accounts. Thankyou
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# 14
07-05-2012, 12:24 PM
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When does the customer get a break? We are forced to convert fo a new currency, but we do not get the benefit of the of the conversion? Once again inconvenience the customer and do not give them any benefit or incentive to this forced move that no one wants......
What hidden benefit are you missing? It is already just Zen on tribble, the conversion thing is temporary, just deal with it or wait. It will be one thing to purchase without a conversion again soon enough.

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# 15
07-05-2012, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by sovereignman View Post
Go for it, nobody's stopping you. I love it when the legal system gets clogged up by "concerned citizens".

"Your Honor, I'm suing because they are giving me the exact same amount of game currency I bought in the past, but I have to buy a different type of currency first that has the exact same real world monetary value first and then convert it to the old currency that still has the exact same value it did before. And your Honor, I only have to do this for a limited time because they are removing the old currency in a short while." "Yes, I'm serious your Honor." "No I haven't had it examined." ........ is pretty much how I'd see a case like that going...

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# 16
07-05-2012, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by otheeroze View Post
20 bucks now buys 1600 cryptic points not 2000. PWE is NOT getting a membership from me. I was considering it till this point.
Another example of someone who doesn't do the math, then looks like an idiot on the forum.
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# 17
07-05-2012, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by sotaudi View Post
People keep complaining about this, and it is always the same answer, proving once again that 5 out of 4 people have problems with ratios.
I see what you did there

And to further the later point about "bonus" for moving to zen - if you buy in bulk you get free zen. something that you didnt get in the cpoint days. 5000 zen ($50) gets you a free 300 zen ($3) for doing nothing different. Also PWE has regular zen sales where you can get an extra 15% zen for free. This would give you an extra 750 zen ($7.50) giving you a total of $10.50 free zen when you spend $50 at the right time. Now tell me free money isn't an incentive?

oh and wether you purchased cpoints directly from cryptic or converted zen to cpoints via PWE. $1 = $1. $1 at cryptic got you 80cpoints. $1 at PW got you 100zen which converted to 80cpoints when transferred to STO. In fact PW gave you more because as stated above you got extra free zen when buying bulk (even outside sales) so while $50 would have got you 4000cpoints from cryptic, PW gave you 4240cpoints for the same purchase

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# 18
07-05-2012, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by vespha View Post
I laugh that so many people choose to show thier mathematical prowness, but it really wasn't needed. Before you had to merge , you could chose a Cryptic account or a PWE account. Both used different prices for Zen/C-point ratio.
No, they didn't. If you had a Cryptic account, you got CP at 80 on the dollar directly and couldn't buy Zen. If you had a PWE account, you got Zen 100 on the dollar and traded it 100 for 80 to CP, making it 80 on the dollar.

Quote:
If you had a Crpytic account you received more c-points for your money vs Zen/C-point conversion.
No, you didn't. Other way around, actually, since at times PWE had bulk discounts on Zen which Cryptic has never offered, and sales on Zen which Cryptic has only offered a very few times and not recently (Cryptic sales instead giving reduced item prices instead of reduced point prices/bonus points).

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The people you see here QQing are the people who had Cryptic accounts. Thankyou
It's hard to tell now since the forum merger wiped out everyone's original join dates, but before the merger, most of them were people who didn't have Cryptic accounts - they only had PWE accounts and weren't aware that STO/CO use a different point scale than other PWE games.

There were a couple notable exceptions, who were good enough to show all their math and disprove their own QQ, yet still soldiered on with that post button, bless their hearts.

Last edited by hevach; 07-05-2012 at 12:54 PM.
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# 19
07-05-2012, 12:51 PM
Free money doesn't jive when it's in zen. 5 out of 4 people agree with this.

/me puts on some sex panther.
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# 20
07-05-2012, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by vespha View Post
I laugh that so many people choose to show thier mathematical prowness, but it really wasn't needed. Before you had to merge , you could chose a Cryptic account or a PWE account. Both used different prices for Zen/C-point ratio. If you had a Crpytic account you received more c-points for your money vs Zen/C-point conversion. The people you see here QQing are the people who had Cryptic accounts. Thankyou
This is completely and utterly wrong. The people QQing are the ones who can't do math.

It has ALWAYS been $25 for 2000 C-Points, starting September 2009.
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