Survivor of Romulus
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# 21
07-12-2012, 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by foundrelic View Post
No he means that they talked about requiring T2-4 ships for specific queue-able missions/fleet actions.



Like a scenario that required the TOS Enterprise and you'd face off against a massive armada of Klingon ships from the same era.

I actually love this idea, I think it would be excellent to run a fleet action where you can only use a T2-3 ship - that would be badass!
Captain
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# 22
07-12-2012, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by reyan01 View Post
Okay - don't get me wrong, I am not the biggest Voyager fan out there. I like it, but it's not my favorite of the Trek series.

Even so - Voyager couldn't take three hits?! We saw EXACTLY what Voyager could take in 'Year of Hell' - she was barely in one piece (and almost uninhabitable) but she was still firing torpeodes up until the very end, when Janeway rammed her into the Krenim timeship.
You sited one battle with one ship and was pretty much swiss cheeze. Firing while ship is heavily damaged is nothing special. The Enterprise-A in "The Search for Spock," fired photon torpedos out of its one good topedo launcher with the ship just having a crew of five. Hey, I got the Voyager series on DVD, all 7 seasons. Go watch it again, and listen to the battles, noticing Tuvok yelling the shield status after taking hits and the shields droping. The ship was trashed in almost every major battle with the Kazons. Even Freighters and waste dum ships has given Voyager a hard time. The were several times where the crew would have to gather raw materials to rebuild the interior of the ship. The ship is not destroyed because the show must go on. None of the Enterprises were trashed in the shows, TOS or TNG. You can't count the alternate realities or time loops that they had to escape from.
Lt. Commander
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# 23
07-12-2012, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by alexindcobra View Post
You sited one battle with one ship and was pretty much swiss cheeze. Firing while ship is heavily damaged is nothing special. The Enterprise-A in "The Search for Spock," fired photon torpedos out of its one good topedo launcher with the ship just having a crew of five. Hey, I got the Voyager series on DVD, all 7 seasons. Go watch it again, and listen to the battles, noticing Tuvok yelling the shield status after taking hits and the shields droping. The ship was trashed in almost every major battle with the Kazons. Even Freighters and waste dum ships has given Voyager a hard time. The were several times where the crew would have to gather raw materials to rebuild the interior of the ship. The ship is not destroyed because the show must go on. None of the Enterprises were trashed in the shows, TOS or TNG. You can't count the alternate realities or time loops that they had to escape from.
Personally, I attribute that to Tuvok's incompetence as a security chief.
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# 24
07-12-2012, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by topset View Post
I actually love this idea, I think it would be excellent to run a fleet action where you can only use a T2-3 ship - that would be badass!
So do I. If only for the ability to see how well people could shore up and arm those relics of ranks gone by.




Most would be screwed for any mission that required the starter ship as many, myself included, dismissed that poor little thing.
Career Officer
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# 25
07-12-2012, 11:27 AM
My old ships are storage for engines, deflectors, shields, weapons, devices, consoles and etc.

I can see the desire to want to run an older ship. But on the other hand, all games have to have progression and require better weapons/armor/etc. It'd be alot of work to program some stuff just for people who want to do that.
Sometimes I think I play STO just to have stuff to rant about on the forums!


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# 26
07-12-2012, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by emden1 View Post
In the future, I would like to see story driven content that would force us to use lower tier ships...
Or just story driven content.
I like... Instead of using a hologenerator to change the look of my current ship to go back in time and destroy the asteroid at Drozana, I get to take the Connie, that I received at promotion back. With modern weapons and consoles, of course

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Ensign
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# 27
07-12-2012, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by alexindcobra View Post
Material wise, the Galaxy has the greates density of all the canon ships in Star Trek. The Constitution has 1/6 the density of a Galaxy. Also if you recall the the battle on Star Treck II the Enterprise-A was almost cut in half by phaser fire at the neck of ship. A few more second of that volley and the Enterprise would of been in two pieces. On Star Trek VI a photon torpedo blasted all the way through the sauser section with the shields up. The Excelsior got hit the same exact way and the torpedo did't penatrate.
The only way the Enterprise-D was damage and lost in "Generations" was the the Klingons cheated and found the shield frequency modulation and set there weapons to it. They way the shield could not protect the Enterprise. Even at that the was nothing blasting straight through and most of the damage was internal. The coolent leak was what cause the warp core to go critical.

I'd like to address a couple points here, mostly because I'm bored and will make for good discussion. If I recall correctly, there wasn't a single hit against raised shields in Star Trek II. Kirk ordered them raised but they didnt come online before Reliant fired, and Spock used Enterprise's console to lower Reliant's shields before they fired. Considering every hit in the movie was scored directly against the hull, both of those ships took a hell of a pounding in that battle. In Star Trek VI, a torpedo did blow a hole in the saucer, but Enterprise's shields had already taken multiple hits and Scotty warned that they were collapsing. That hit buckled the shields and exploded through the hull. Excelsior took a hit in the same spot, but her shields were at full strength. If we compare the Enterprise-D's battle with the bird of prey to the battle between Enterprise and Reliant, they're similar. Again, shields were useless on both sides, and all damage was scored directly on the hull. In my opinion, what destroyed Enterprise-D was less efficient damage control than the first Enterprise had against Reliant. I still dont understand why they didnt eject the core. I'd also like to point out that the combat capability of the TOS Enterprise is not as far behind the 24th century ships as people generally believe. Pre-refit constitution classes dont power their phasers through the warp core, allowing them to fire while at warp (Motion picture, various TOS episodes.) in fact, most of Enterprise's combat maneuvering in the original series is done at WARP speeds. In one episode(I dont remember which), Kirk states that Enterprise has enough firepower to destroy a continent. Her phasers can fire continuous bursts at least as long as that of Enterprise-D. I'm not exactly sure how they are arranged, but Enterprise also appears to have at least 6 photon torpedo launchers; in one episode Kirk orders tubes 2, 4, and 6 readied for use. TOS is probably the least consistent of all the shows, but that is a discussion for another thread. Because of that though, I can accept that the Constitution is less capable than it appears. I'll let you all form your own opinions. As far as the game is concerned, regarding old ships being upgraded, A lot of people griped about having an excelsior be as capable as a sovereign class. A lot of people went around comparing P-51 mustangs to F-18 fighters. The mistake here is comparing ships to fighters. Lets instead compare ships to ships. The Iowa class battleships are still the most heavily armed and armored warships currently afloat. It is not their combat capability that led to their decommissioning, but rather the fact that ships with such old technology are vastly more expensive to operate and maintain. I beliveve for the sake of this game that the same issue would apply to excelsior class ships. They require more resources to keep running properly, but arent necessarily less capable than the newer ships when properly maintained. Anyway, I'll let everyone think about that and I will quit writing now. Hurry up and finish the patch cryptic!
Ensign
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# 28
07-12-2012, 12:28 PM
Great idea!
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# 29
07-12-2012, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by alexindcobra View Post
We have mission where we have to use our shuttlecrafts and fighters, but we don't have missions that requiring us to use our old, lower tier ships. A lot of our other ships are just collecting dust and some of us would like to use them or see them in action. It would not make since for us to try to use them in VA PVP or STF's because they have low hull strength and weaker shields, but Maybe they can come up with a tier level PVP were players can fight eachother using the approptiate tier level ship. For example, having the TOS Constitution fighting the old D7 Battlecruisers, or the Constitution fighting the B'rel Class Bird of Prey. I think there could be some episodes or dailies that could be made for us to use the old Constitution Class, or Excelsior, etc. What do you guys think?
interesting post. i get my old ships out now and then just to see how they do. they can still hold their own and of course, as time has gone by my player skill has improved or at least that is my opinion.

radical idea: suicide missions with great rewards, but require the sacrafice of a ship. better than just discharging them.
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Lieutenant
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# 30
07-12-2012, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by alexindcobra View Post
We have mission where we have to use our shuttlecrafts and fighters, but we don't have missions that requiring us to use our old, lower tier ships. A lot of our other ships are just collecting dust and some of us would like to use them or see them in action. It would not make since for us to try to use them in VA PVP or STF's because they have low hull strength and weaker shields, but Maybe they can come up with a tier level PVP were players can fight eachother using the approptiate tier level ship. For example, having the TOS Constitution fighting the old D7 Battlecruisers, or the Constitution fighting the B'rel Class Bird of Prey. I think there could be some episodes or dailies that could be made for us to use the old Constitution Class, or Excelsior, etc. What do you guys think?
I like it. If you ever get an official "we will consider it" from an official developer, let me know.
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