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# 11
07-09-2012, 04:06 PM
By the by, if you're in Canada it's a better deal with the exchange rate to buy Zen cards at the 7-11.
All PWE transactions in the North America zone default to USD.

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# 12
07-09-2012, 04:31 PM
Well we'll officially be a korean f2p mmo this Thrusday. Sad.
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# 13
07-09-2012, 04:38 PM
Season 6 this week for sure.
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# 14 Ship prices pre-PWE ownership
07-09-2012, 05:16 PM
My only question is this: Before Perfect World bought the game, what were the prices on things in the c-store? If they did not change when PWE took over, then that means that PWE was screwing us in real money through the converison from Zen to c-points. If the prices on store items did not change, then we ended up having less buying power per dollar spent on game money because of this.

Now, my point is, if the store prices were the same after the change of ownership as they were before PWE took over, then to be honest and fair, PWE should realy just change the currency to Zen and leave the store prices alone, so that parity is re-established in terms of store item prices to cost in terms of in-game money.

Here is an example of what I mean. (Please bear in mind, this only works if store prices did not change when PWE aquired the game.)

Pre PWE takeover $ - C-points : $10.00 = 1000 c-points.

Pre PWE takeover store price for 1000 C-point ship = 1000 c-points.

Post PWE takeover $ - c-points : $10.00 = 800 c-points (after being converted from zen)

Post PWE takeover store price for 1000 c-point ship = 1000 c-points.

Total cost for 1000 c-point ship = $12.50
Post game currency change to Zen : $10.00 = 1000 Zen.

Post game currency change to Zen cost of formerly 1000 c-point ship : 1250 Zen.

Total cost for formerly 1000 c-point, now 1250 Zen, ship = $12.50.

Increase in purchasing power : None.
I freely admit that I am lacking any info on what exactly happened with the Cryptic store in STO after Perfect World took over the game, so I may be quite wrong with my above calculations, but it seems to me that we are not gaining anything from the conversion of the game currency to Zen, except not having to deal with an exchange rate from Zen to c-points. If anyone knows if and what changes in store prices may have happened when PWE took over, please go ahead and post it so persons like myself, who only started playing after the game went FtP, will have a better idea of what has changed.


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# 15
07-09-2012, 05:24 PM
you aren't being ripped off

and as to ships worth $20

There are Several (and a couple of them aren't $20)
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# 16
07-09-2012, 05:33 PM
Originally Posted by nyiad View Post
Well we'll officially be a korean f2p mmo this Thrusday. Sad.
how is that sad? some of the best quality mmo games in the world are korean f2p mmo.

soon, add sto to the list...and that's a good thing.
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# 17
07-09-2012, 05:44 PM
i am not even getting into the maths again (plenty of threads around with fully explained answers) for the hard of understanding...

just leaving this here. the cryptic cpoint has ALWAYS been worth 1.25 us cents. $10 never ever got you 1000 cpoints. $25 got you 2000 cpoints (the cost of an armitage for example). today $25 gets you 2500 zen which gets you -- ooh 2000 cpoints. from the date of final removal of cpoints (finally) $25 will still get you 2500 zen, which will still buy you an armitage (the price will be 2500zen)

never mind the free zen for buying in bulk and the frequent 15% bonus zen sales. And the more transparent pricing (80:$1 ration hides the true price in game - marketing love this sort of thing).

So, no improvement to the paying gamer at all.

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# 18
07-09-2012, 06:05 PM
I actually gag every time I see the Zen Coin in the Celestial Temple.
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# 19
07-09-2012, 06:20 PM
Well, I'm happy they go with the 25-500 dil range for 1 Zen on the exchange instead of the 50-750 one that was in the tribble patch notes. With 25-500 dil, they're expanding the range on both ends (just converting the current 50-500 dil per 1 CP gets us to 40-400 dil per 1 Zen).

I guess I can't rant about the possible (and likely) devaluation of dilithium when there's hope it could gain more value than it ever had.
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# 20
07-09-2012, 06:21 PM
Originally Posted by lombarty View Post
All I can say's about time! PWE bought cryptic from Atari a long time ago. When I found out about this, I stopped buying c-points, because I, too, got sick of losing money on the whole conversion thing. I still most likely won't spend any money on zen either; but that's more becase pwe will also be "adjusting" prices in the in-game store, so we won't actually be gaining anything either. Now, it will cost MORE than 20 bucks for the big ships! This game is awesome, don't get me wrong. I haven't been able to stop playing since I started. With that in mind, however, there's not a "virtual" ship in this game worth even 20 bucks of my hard earned money, and now they are going to want more??? I would have thought that pwe would do more to make this transition a bit more economical for the players, not for themselves.
You do realize, it costs you 25$ for 2000 Cryptic Points right now? That's the cost for the VA Ships basically in the store. But guess what, you can now just get 20$ of Zen and it equals out to 1600 Cryptic Points which can buy you a Tactical Escort Retrofit or a B'Rel Bird-of-Prey.

The conversion will be the damn same for all items. Things that cost 2000 Cryptic Points will be 2500 Zen, which is 25$. :| Idiots.

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