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1. If it is a micro transaction it goes in the c-store for a reasonable price.....period.

2. Subscribers receive account unlocks on all purchases and unlocks in game or in the c-store.
3. F2p players pay for per character unlocks (excetpion, current account wide service unlocks, ship purchases).
4. The stipend is a joke at this point, gold members in addion to there stipend recieve a 40% (if prices remain high and unreasonable) discount, F2p players still pay full price.
5. In game rewards do not cost zen.....period
6. Lock box items are in the c-store for purchase at a reasonable price.
7. Lobi crystals items are sold in game and the c-store at a reasonable price.
8. Lobi crystals, all fleet credits and dilithuim are attainable by playing main story missions.

9. All tier 5 starships will have 5 universal commander slots, 5 weapon slots fore and aft, 5 device and 15 universal console slots. This will be implemented among the Lower tiers also tier 4 will have a universal commander and 3 universal Lt commanders, the appropriate amount of universal console and device slots and so on and so forth all the way down to tier 1.

10 nothing paid for with real money is unique (excluding consoles 1 per character).....if I buy it I should be able to equip as many weapons as I want....I paid for it.

11. All consoles will work on all ships slots no matter the ship type. I.E. science and assualt cruiser, escort ,and crusier consoles can be equipped on any ship, if we pay for it we should get our monies worth.

12. Transparancy and enginnering reports bring it back, listen to your customer base and do not put things out there that everyone is jumping up and down telling you we do not want.

13. Make all currently bound to character equipment, account bound, then sell for 100 dilthium unbind token in game.

14. Put out a quality product and do it right the first time......for a reasonable price (that means much lower ththan the current ridiculous price point currently in place.)

Last edited by palpha2clearance; 08-15-2012 at 12:04 PM.
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# 2
08-15-2012, 11:51 AM
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how to change the C-Store, so the community will not despise it.
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2. Subscribers receive account unlocks on all purchases and unlocks in game or in the c-store.
3. F2p players pay for per character unlocks.

and the majority which are silver players will have to pay 20 euros (which is more than a subscription) to unlock 1 ship per toon and not despise your "brilliant" idea.
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# 3
08-15-2012, 12:12 PM
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1. If it is a micro transaction it goes in the c-store for a reasonable price.....period.
Define "reasonable", as it's a subjective term.
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2. Subscribers receive account unlocks on all purchases and unlocks in game or in the c-store.
Balance issues, unless every unlock is Bind to Account or Bind to Character. Goodbye to trading C-Store BOffs.
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3. F2p players pay for per character unlocks (excetpion ship purchases).
That's even worse than the current store for F2P. How are F2P players not going to despise the C-Store?
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4. The stipend is a joke at this point, gold members in addion to there stipend recieve a 40% (if prices remain high and unreasonable) discount, F2p players still pay full price.
I'll argue that not every player thinks the stipend is a joke. That being said, I could see why other players would want a ship discount. I've personally felt ship prices are too high, but they are account unlocks...
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5. In game rewards do not cost zen.....period
6. Lock box items are in the c-store for purchase at a reasonable price.
It's clear you don't like Lock Boxes. That being said, if the items were available piecemeal in the C-Store, they wouldn't even have a purpose to exist. If the "blind box" method isn't your thing, try looking up lock-box items on the Exchange.
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7. Lobi crystals items are sold in game and the c-store at a reasonable price.
8. Lobi crystals, all fleet credits and dilithuim are attainable by playing main story missions.
Lobi crystals can be obtained in-game, as can fleet merits and dilithium.

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9. All tier 5 starships will have 5 universal commander slots, 5 weapon slots fore and aft, 5 device and 15 universal console slots. This will be implemented among the Lower tiers also tier 4 will have a universal commander and 3 universal Lt commanders, the appropriate amount of universal console and device slots and so on and so forth all the way down to tier 1.

10 nothing paid for with real money is unique (excluding consoles 1 per character).....if I buy it I should be able to equip as many weapons as I want....I paid for it.

11. All consoles will work on all ships slots no matter the ship type. I.E. science and assualt cruiser, escort ,and crusier consoles can be equipped on any ship, if we pay for it we should get our monies worth.

13. Make all currently bound to character equipment, account bound, then sell for 100 dilthium unbind token in game.
Forsake game balance and turn the C-Store ships into (forgive me for using a cliche) "I WIN" button... this is simply foolish, IMPO.

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12. Transparancy and enginnering reports bring it back, listen to your customer base and do not put things out there that everyone is jumping up and down telling you we do not want.

14. Put out a quality product and do it right the first time......for a reasonable price (that means much lower ththan the current ridiculous price point currently in place.)
Quality is highly subjective. I'm sure many players think that there are a lot of high-quality items in the C-Store.

Personally, I think the "engineers" are listening to a lot of different voices in the community, some who are highly satisfied, some in the middle, and some who will never be satisfied; I think they're doing a decent job listening to players, IMPO.

You're not truly representing the playerbase when you make this argument, so please don't act as a "community" representative for what are clearly personal agendas.

I don't care how long you've been playing. I only care about how you play.
And remember to follow the rules.
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# 4
08-15-2012, 12:22 PM
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and the majority which are silver players will have to pay 20 euros (which is more than a subscription) to unlock 1 ship per toon and not despise your "brilliant" idea.
Please note the correction. Subscribers have been paying more since this game has gone f2p so that silver players can play free, subscribers have gone without sufficient compensation for this change and the game needs to take care of its long term player base, and give silver members incentive to be subscribers.
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# 5
08-15-2012, 12:26 PM
I've been here since the beginning and I don't despise the C-store. How do you figure you can speak for the community regarding whether we despise something or not?

Please don't speak for anyone other than you. You don't represent the community.

And if you find the value isn't sufficient for subbers...then whomever is paying it needs to quit subbing. The game doesn't owe subbers anything more than what they are told the sub gives them. If it isn't worth it, don't pay it.

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# 6
08-15-2012, 12:29 PM
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Please note the correction. Subscribers have been paying more since this game has gone f2p so that silver players can play free, subscribers have gone without sufficient compensation for this change and the game needs to take care of its long term player base, and give silver members incentive to be subscribers.
You (and me) got what you (and me) paid for at that time we agreed to pay ,Policies change at any time.I subscribed and now Im using silver ,not because Im cheap but because I don't want to use a credit card (Im one of those with a pre december 2010 accounts ) to buy a sub (even posted a idea to include subs in the c store at a extra price because I buy zp using steam wallet) .
Yes new players get more at this point ,but that is like saying "a guy buys a old Nokia phone for less money than someone who bought it when it was new" ,plus I don't care ,I only want to see more players and more content .
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# 7
08-15-2012, 12:38 PM
I have been around since way before the beginning and my voice tends to speak for the more insightful group who have invested time building this game with input since the beginning, to where we currently are which is not a good place, it is ok if you disagree, but I speak for myself and those who feel the way I do to make significant improvements in sto without leaving the people who actually pay to play this game out in the cold. Silver players should have to carry the burden of costs, only because they have not invested the time and resources that the long term subscriber base has. I encorage all silver players to buy a subscription, then sit in our boat, when things get stalled or do not happen, but at least you could enjoy some perks.

I have no agenda....I want this to fun and customizable again..I feel sto has veered far off course with f2p and pwe....I would like to see the game we all signed up for to come to fruition....and so far at 1000 and some days I have not seen it yet.......I want this to be around and fun for a longtime, and as a longterm investor I am not sure its on course currently.......
I would love to see more ungated content, but everytime I see the brief flash of light at the end of tunnel my hopes are dashed....by some let down announcement of postponement. I do not see the currenct c-store model providing it, in a timely fashion
Thank you.

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# 8
08-15-2012, 12:56 PM
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... my voice tends to speak for the more insightful group...
Wow...ego much?

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to where we currently are which is not a good place.......
In your opinion. And unless you held an election amongst your l33t "more insightful group" where they named you spokesperson, maybe you should dial back the voice-of-the-community BS?

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it is ok if you disagree.......
Yes, it is..and I don't even require your permission to do it. Crazy how that works, isn't it? Guess I won't get invited to the insightful group anytime soon, thou.

Bummer.

Subbers are treated just fine, in my opinion. It would be nice if c-store prices weren't as high as they are, but since I decide when and how I spend my money, thats my problem - not the C-stores.

What do you think the game should do for long-time subbers that it doesn't already do? We get more bank, inventory, ship, character slots. Foundry author access. We have a higher EC limit. We get vet rewards and for us lifers we get a stipend.

They aren't going to give subbers a discount in the c-store. Why? Because they don't have to - they have the sales figures that show that subbers still buy from the C-store. How do I know? Because if the sales numbers indicated that people weren't buying because of price point, they'd lower prices.
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# 9
08-15-2012, 01:06 PM
Some people play for free.

Some people pay for stuff.

Some people pay to win.

Some people pay to feel special.
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# 10
08-15-2012, 01:11 PM
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I've been here since the beginning and I don't despise the C-store. How do you figure you can speak for the community regarding whether we despise something or not?

Please don't speak for anyone other than you. You don't represent the community.

And if you find the value isn't sufficient for subbers...then whomever is paying it needs to quit subbing. The game doesn't owe subbers anything more than what they are told the sub gives them. If it isn't worth it, don't pay it.
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Wow...ego much?



In your opinion. And unless you held an election amongst your l33t "more insightful group" where they named you spokesperson, maybe you should dial back the voice-of-the-community BS?




Yes, it is..and I don't even require your permission to do it. Crazy how that works, isn't it? Guess I won't get invited to the insightful group anytime soon, thou.

Bummer.

Subbers are treated just fine, in my opinion. It would be nice if c-store prices weren't as high as they are, but since I decide when and how I spend my money, thats my problem - not the C-stores.

What do you think the game should do for long-time subbers that it doesn't already do? We get more bank, inventory, ship, character slots. Foundry author access. We have a higher EC limit. We get vet rewards and for us lifers we get a stipend.

They aren't going to give subbers a discount in the c-store. Why? Because they don't have to - they have the sales figures that show that subbers still buy from the C-store. How do I know? Because if the sales numbers indicated that people weren't buying because of price point, they'd lower prices.
I guess thanks for your insulting feedback??? I was implying that some us want change for the betterment of all, and kinda want some of the folks who are playing for free to absorb of the additional cost the subscriber have been burdened with, when we already pay to play.

you may not like my view point.....opinions vary
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