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# 1 Cryptic, Fix the Novas Please
07-12-2012, 04:43 PM
It seems some feedback has been ignored With regards to Nova class vessels (Science vessel, Science vessel Refit, Science Vessel Retrofit and Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit)

As mentioned before, the Science vessel retrofit has the same Boff and console layout as the Reconnaissance Science Vessel. It, however, has less hull and a lower shield modifier than the Recon, giving it less survivability. The trade off for this is one more point in turn rate. Given that science vessels can't use dual cannons, so their major high damage weapon is dual beam banks (or torpedoes for some builds, both having a 45 degree arc), this amounts to very little improvement; something which is hardly sufficient given the durability loss.

The fleet science vessel retrofit, on the other hand, while still possessing less durability than the recon, has a LtC tactical bridge officer. The ability to use things like FAW III, HYT III, TorpSpread III and APB II and possibly even the ability to use APO, all of which give a nice damage boost, do make a bit of durability loss a little bit more worth it especially in light of the fact that this is a layout that has been missing from the science ship lineup and has been sorely needed for quite a while now.

Please, Cryptic, change the boff layout of the Science Vessel Retrofit to match that of the Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit, to make that ship more worthwhile.


On a side note, Captain geko mentioned all Novas were getting a turn rate boost
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Originally Posted by crypticgeko View Post
Fixing Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit consoles to 3Tact, 3Eng, 4Sci.

Increasing Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit, Science Vessel Retrofit, Science Vessel and Science VEssel Refit turn rate to 15.


thanks
I was wondering what happened to this change.
(On a side note, thank you for fixing the console problem.)


Addendum: Apparently, we also do not receive a discount on fleet modules for the Fleet Science vessel retrofit if we purchased the Science Vessel Refit. The price of Fleet modules being outrageous aside, this needs fixed.

Last edited by raptor63549; 07-12-2012 at 06:27 PM.
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# 2
07-12-2012, 04:48 PM
I agree, both of the new Nova's should have a LtCmdr Tactical slot.
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# 3
07-13-2012, 12:14 AM
That would at least make them useful, at present it's just the weakest science vessel of the pack due to its low shield mod, hull points and small crew. with an LT Cmdr tac and either a turn rate buff and/or ability to mount dual cannons it'd make a nice sci/escort hybrid.
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# 4
07-13-2012, 05:48 PM
I don't see a reason for the Science Vessel retrofit to get dual cannons. Given the nice turn rate it could certainly use them effectively, and science ships would do well to get a decent damage boost (though I think that should come by making damage dealing science abilities more effective in more circumstances), but no one has mentioned any thin that would convince me to make the nova a hybrid science escort craft; in fact, given what we have seen in Star trek Voyager, the Intrepids (both the retrofit that has existed for a while and the new fleet version) should have the LtC tac slot while the Novas should have a Cmdr LtC and Ens. science slot, since the latter is said to be a full on research ship in Equinox.

If a Science vessel were to get cannon,s maybe it should be a C-Store ship (Vesta?)
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Regardless, the Science vessel NEEDS something to make it actually worth something, and with what the other ships already have (including the fleet science vessel retrofit), this means a LtC tac slot.
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# 5
07-13-2012, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by raptor63549 View Post
I don't see a reason for the Science Vessel retrofit to get dual cannons. Given the nice turn rate it could certainly use them effectively, and science ships would do well to get a decent damage boost (though I think that should come by making damage dealing science abilities more effective in more circumstances), but no one has mentioned any thin that would convince me to make the nova a hybrid science escort craft; in fact, given what we have seen in Star trek Voyager, the Intrepids (both the retrofit that has existed for a while and the new fleet version) should have the LtC tac slot while the Novas should have a Cmdr LtC and Ens. science slot, since the latter is said to be a full on research ship in Equinox.

If a Science vessel were to get cannon,s maybe it should be a C-Store ship (Vesta?)
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Regardless, the Science vessel NEEDS something to make it actually worth something, and with what the other ships already have (including the fleet science vessel retrofit), this means a LtC tac slot.
Would of been cool to see the Fleet LRR get the lt cmdr tac instead of the Nova! I mean we know a Intrepid can beat a Nova, so there has to be something to it!
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# 6
07-13-2012, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by raptor63549 View Post
*snip*


Addendum: Apparently, we also do not receive a discount on fleet modules for the Fleet Science vessel retrofit if we purchased the Science Vessel Refit. The price of Fleet modules being outrageous aside, this needs fixed.
Actually, no it doesn't need to be fixed. The C-Store refit versions are Lt. Commander level ships. The C-Store retrofit versions are VA level ships. The Fleet Modules cost, as far as I can tell, 500 Zen ($5) each. The Fleet ships cost Fleet Credits plus four Fleet Modules which is 2000 Zen or $20, the same prices (plus fleet credits) as the C-Store version ships they are based on.

If you already own the VA level retrofit version of the Fleet ship, then they only cost one Fleet Module, or $5. That is fair because you are buying basically the same ship with slight upgrades. That cannot be said for the refit versions. Going from the refit version to the retrofit version is a major upgrade in that it is going from a Lt. Commander Ship to a VA level ship plus the upgrades.

The discount goes to those who already bought the C-Store version of the ship because they already paid for the VA level ship. If refit owners got that same discount, then they would be able to get a VA level ship with upgrades for only $5 whereas a retrofit owner had to pay $20 for the C-Store VA version then $5 more for the Fleet version.

In other words, it doesn't need to be fixed because it is not broken. You don't get a discount for the C-Store VA level ship just because you own the C-Store Lt. Commander level ship. You shouldn't, therefore, get a discount for bypassing the C-Store VA level version and going directly to the Fleet VA level version. (The Fleet credits cost is a non-issue because everyone has to pay those.)
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# 7
07-14-2012, 12:19 AM
What does it not being a tier 5 ship to begin with have to do with it? I still paid money for it.
I am not asking for the same discount (in fact, that would be stupid), but having lower tier C-Store ships reduce the cost of their respective fleet retrofit by 1 or 2 fleet modules (depending on the tier of the original ship, and thus the prices) would make sense.

As it stands, getting a Sabre or Nova retrofit and the refit cost more than what it would cost to get a RA C-Store ship and its fleet version for a ship that, due to having decreased hitpoints, and for some reason, a lower shield modifier (which actually gives these new retrofits less shields than their lower tier versions given the same equipment), won't be as effective as the freebie RA ships. There's nothing wrong with the ships being a bit weaker hull-wise, they are smaller after all, but the lower shield modifier seems stupid. The real problem, though, is Cryptic asking us to pay more to get less.

This isn't really supposed to be a discussion on how Cryptic is scamming us all with fleet modules. This is me asking Cryptic to make the Science Vessel Retrofit marginally useful, and give Science ship players a second ship with a needed boff layout, by switching the Boff layot to have a LtC TAC station.
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