Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 179
# 11
07-20-2012, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by pubpenny View Post
You now have to have a PW account aswell. I mena it gets confusing. I don't know what account it mean when it says log in. Do I use my PW accoutn? Or my Cryptic account? Do I use the Display name? Or the Account name? I'ts confusing.
Don't be confused! Be informed!

To break it down really simple, once you've made a PWE account and linked your Crytpic account to it, you simply tick the option to log in with your PWE username and password then input that and ta-da!

The only issue I have is that if I check to remember my username, when I log out to switch characters, the client switches my username to my old cryptic username. This is highly annoying and has been reported in the past. My login on the launcher remains correct however. It is only the client that does this and it IS NOT something on my computer for I have re-partitioned and re-formatted and re-installed my os and everything from scratch since and it still reverts back to my Cryptic username in the client login field, when ticked to remember.

Devs, if you need me to explain this better, please contact me. I'll even go so far as to make a video showing you what is happening, if I am confusing in my description. I just won't post it publicly as it will reveal my username(s).

Also, this happens on BOTH of my PWE accounts that I merged both of my Cryptic accounts to, respectively.

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Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 12
07-20-2012, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by pubpenny View Post
What do you think? In my opinion they are. They've made everything more expensive, they've completely changed the way you log in and do stuff, they've- well there's too many things that they've done to say.

Share me your opinions. I'm a life time subscriber, I have been for some time now, and right now I feel I'm getting ripped off by PW.
Yet another "REPENT! The end of STO is nigh!" Thread

Prefect World Entertainment saved Cryptic and STO from going under into the footnotes of "poorly executed ideas". They provided the financial backing to the studio as well as lower a barrier that prevented honest players from entering the game (the monthly fee that not everyone can afford).

Say what you will, doomsayer, but that devil-be-damned evil corporation saved the game that you care enough about to write a thread about it.

They haven't made the prices more expensive. They just cut out a middle step in between paying for Zen, and getting a ship. They also made the cost intuitive by making $1=100 Zen. Easy conversions there. How much does a 2000 Zen Ship cost me? $20 bucks. No need for a calculator or exchange rate charts.

As for the oft quoted Odyssey three pack that cost $60... It worked. People bought it and people still use that ship. The same with lockboxes. People vote with their wallets, not their voices, and alot of peoples wallets are saying that what PWE is doing is viable. As long as it keeps the game going, I'll deal with the Lockbox spam.

The Log in??? Seriously? You type in a your username and password, just like before. They simply streamlined the system so that you log into the same account to play as you do to buy zen. Again, TRYING TO MAKE YOUR LIFE EASIER! The transfer happened a month ago. That is more then enough time to write down a new sticky note with your new log in information and memorize it. Or, tell your computer to remember your username for you.

And finally, If you are leaving this game. Feel free to mail all your in game items to @kyeto13. I'll make sure that it finds a good home
Ensign
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1
# 13
07-20-2012, 10:28 AM
What bothers me is that everything useful and new/desirable is in lockboxes.The droprates are horrible(this is coming from some1 who farmed up countless very rare mounts in another mmo),I NEVER got a useful item out of lockboxes and I opened around 40-50(usually the item I got sold on the exchange for like 1/20 of the price of a master key).These new and desirable items seem to be endless(all in lockboxes ofc),I dont even know what is what anymore,I am to busy IRL to spend a half day on comparing so many new ships and consoles,meanwhile character progression without lockboxes doesnt exist anymore(my characters use the same ships they used 1,5-2 years ago just because I wasnt lucky in the casino,I bet that I am not the only 1).

I dont have piles of money to shovel into the game(and what if I get nothing after opening 200 lockboxes :X),sure,I could play the exchange but that requires to big effort,once or twice it would be doable(as economist I have better than average understanding about how the market works in online games) but with every new update comes a new lock box and I just lose all the willpower to play when I read about it(doesnt matter that I got nothing useful so far,here comes a new round of unobtainable cool items).I found the old c-store intrusive too but it was nothing compared to lock boxes,I would gladly pay the price for a new cool ship every half year,problem is that the c-store is a barren wasteland and I can see nothing useful in there(c-store ships are worse than the free ones I already own lol).

Another problem is pricing,I dont know who buys online pixels for those amounts but for some1 who lives in middle europe the prices are at least tripple of what I would find reasonable.As I see it raising a kid would be lot cheaper than staying up to date in STO from month to month(I could buy all new games every month from the money required to get the lock box goodies for sure every time).

I am a trekkie and I used to enjoy this game,I understand that now that the game is F2P the company needs to make profit,but I am not sure that the best way to achieve this is alienating a good portion of the fanbase,at least put something useful in the c-store(like a bird of prey which isnt worse than the free 1 I use since what seems to be the beginning of time),we are not all gamblers you know(actually I believe they are the minority,as I remember it is some kind of illness which is very hard to cure,not talking about the fact that they are usually the poorest of the poor IRL so I dont know how you expect to live from them long term when they are happy if they have money to eat something at all...just talking about my own experience,I have a few "gambler" friends myself too)


oh and while we are at it they are immersion breaking:
-How can you store SPACE SHIPS in lock boxes?
-Why cant I transport out whats inside?
-In real trek just 1 or 2 of such ships would cause diplomatic disaster,Starfleet would never allow the usage of galors etc.
-Where they come from?Dont tell me that all cardassian war factories are working day and night just to supply the federation players with galors
etc. I could write at least 100 more


/some1 who was bored and was thinking about playing STO again after a month or 2 long break but changed his mind thanks to the awesome new lock box announcement(oh the sweet memories of opening tons of lockboxes for nothing,I wasted all my EC and dilithium reserves what I accumulated in weeks/months time to get nothing in return)

edit:for the record I dont care who owns STO(PW or Atari doesnt matter),I care about just whats going on in the game and I am talking about that.I didnt play this game because it was Cryptic or Atari,Star Trek is what im interested in

Last edited by xorrlan; 07-20-2012 at 10:45 AM.
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# 14
07-20-2012, 10:47 AM
Honestly, right now I think PW is not leading STO in that positive direction we hoped.

Sure, they increased Cryptic's budget and they hired new people. But with all these lockbox schemes and the Lobi cons, it really makes me feel more like they value my wallet than me as a customer / player.

As for content, since PW took over, all the content was either STFs and now Starbases, both grinds with no real reward for your effort. Many of us are still struggling for those MK12 Sets from the STFs, and game masters hardly lifted a finger to help us out. Instead we get the "oh well" response. Then there is new Starbases that peer pressure players to join fleets and grind for Fleet Marks so you can buy stuff from those stores. And Dilithum soaking while nerfing out methods of earning Dilithum.

All of this has really left me with a sour taste in my mouth. I want to log into STO and have fun, not having to do a job.
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# 15
07-20-2012, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by xorrlan View Post
I dont have piles of money to shovel into the game(and what if I get nothing after opening 200 lockboxes :X)
and....

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Originally Posted by xorrlan View Post
sure,I could play the exchange but that requires to big effort,once or twice it would be doable(as economist I have better than average understanding about how the market works in online games)
So what kind of economist doesn't understand that if you want something it will either cost you money or time? Lock box keys can be bought on the exchange as well as with zen. You can buy zen with dilithium, which costs you no real money. If you don't want to spend money or time, what do you think should occur?

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Originally Posted by xorrlan View Post
oh and while we are at it they are immersion breaking:

-How can you store SPACE SHIPS in lock boxes?
-Why cant I transport out whats inside?
-In real trek just 1 or 2 of such ships would cause diplomatic disaster,Starfleet would never allow the usage of galors etc.
-Where they come from?Dont tell me that all cardassian war factories are working day and night just to supply the federation players with galors
etc. I could write at least 100 more
- You do know this is a video game, right? You said you are familiar with MMO's - so you should realize that every MMO has an inventory storage system that defies the laws of physics. Its a video game, not a simulation of what living in the Trek universe would be like.

- Because then PWE couldn't make money on keys and Devs like things like being employed and eating. Again, you sure you are an economist?

- There is no real Trek. Its a tv show. Games make money by making wanted things available to customers. Company figured out people would spend money for ultra rare ships so now they are available in game.

Supply, meet Demand.
Demand, allow me to introduce you to Supply.

- They provided (kinda weak) in-game explanations for the bug ship and Galors. Frankly, they didn't really need to do that. The fact that people wanted them was really the only justification PWE needed to make them available.

So, what I got from all of this is you want the latest and greatest stuff but don't want to pay for it with either money or time? Good luck with that.
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# 16
07-20-2012, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by dbrytestar View Post
How are you being ripped off?
I don't understand.
Did they take something away from you from the time that you signed up for the lifetime plan? I'm on the fence right now regarding picking up 4102561 or not. I like to support games I enjoy, and this one has been enjoyable so far.
Yes, yes they did.

Last edited by drachenhaut01; 07-20-2012 at 11:02 AM.
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Posts: 891
# 17
07-20-2012, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by drachenhaut01 View Post
Yes, yes they did.
Really? What?

I've been a lifetime subscriber since launch and I can't think of anything I have lost.

I gained a monthly 500 zen stipend.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 231
# 18
07-20-2012, 11:17 AM
It can be a lot worst then a few Lockboxes and some over price items .
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# 19
07-20-2012, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by boglejam73 View Post
Really? What?

I've been a lifetime subscriber since launch and I can't think of anything I have lost.

I gained a monthly 500 zen stipend.
How about those marks they took away and never replaced, or wheres my va ship token, oh that's right I already got one you know before that reward existed, biggest con ever that one, how about those ships they took out of the ship store and put them soly on the cstore. I'm sure there's a lot more, but that's a start
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# 20
07-20-2012, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by azurianstar View Post
Sure, they increased Cryptic's budget and they hired new people. But with all these lockbox schemes and the Lobi cons, it really makes me feel more like they value my wallet than me as a customer / player.
^^^
My advice to y9ou aty this point: Just stopm playing/paying for any MMO on the market, because what youy describe is how ANY MMO developer and company with inverstors who want a large ROI view you. It's been that way siince Meridian 59; Ultima Online, and EverQuest. The bottom line is return on all the money spent on initial and continued development plus a profit. <--- If they can't do that, there's no point to maintaining the operation. In the end, if you get some enjoyment from the game (whether you spend money or not); that's the best you can hope for. But, in the end, any cpompany who provides a product or service is ONLY interested in getting some money from your wallet. Period.
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