Ensign
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# 51 Free to Play? yeah Right
08-03-2012, 09:37 AM
The thing I can see from all of this and from what I have gathered from people that were playing before STO went FTP, is that it seems that they are finding more and more ways to get us to pay for the game. So essentially they are taking the free to play and throwing it out the window.

Seems to really enjoy STO now, you cannot be FTP, but have to hand them more and more money for anything.

I agree, this is a rip off. Only a Ferengi would think of a scheme like this!
Career Officer
Join Date: Jul 2012
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# 52
08-04-2012, 05:05 PM
What really grinds my teeth, is the way it's not enough to have grinded enough projects to be allowed to sell, say, Tier 1 ships, but that you need this too:


Basic Ship Provisioning
Provision the shipyard with fleet ships that will be available to be requisitioned by fleet members.

This provisioning assignment only requires dilithium and completes very quickly, but it provides a limited supply and does not provide fleet experience



In other words, as a fleet, you need to sink in another 200,000 dilithium, just to be able to sell a limited amount of ships. So, a rather sizeable fleet could well have to collectively cough up millions of dilithium, just so everyone can be supplied. And then they'd have to do it all over again, for the next round. Plus, of course, the personal cost of 4 fleet ship modules and fleet points per ship.

So, apart from the 4 fleet modules, and the 200,000 fleet marks, individual fleet members will also be hit for dilithium contributions to fund the provisioning.

Personally, I think that's insane. Unlocking fleet ships should be a completed deal: once you did the required projects, and unlocked the ability, you should be able to sell those ships indefinitely.

I guess Cryptic fell for the 12th Rule Of Acquisition:

12. Anything worth selling is worth selling twice.
Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 278
# 53
08-04-2012, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ussultimatum View Post
while I Understand These Are Extremely Expensive And Not Account Unlocks, For People Complaining A Few Things To Consider:

  1. you Don't Need These Ships To Actually Complete Any Content.
  2. ship Modules Can Be Purchased From The Exchange Using Ec.
  3. the Prices Of These Ships Keeps Cstore Ships Relevant, Otherwise The Purchases People Have Already Made Would Be Almost Completely Obsolete.
Its Not Like Cryptic Is Rolling Out New Missions Regularly Wich Is Why Many Such As Myself Would Turn To Pvp Wich Requires You To Spend Money To Be Competitive

join date: Jan. 2012
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# 54
08-06-2012, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by tankalot42o View Post
Its Not Like Cryptic Is Rolling Out New Missions Regularly Wich Is Why Many Such As Myself Would Turn To Pvp Wich Requires You To Spend Money To Be Competitive
They aren't rolling out missions because they are too busy rolling out things you have to pay for. As long as people are buying things they have no reason to "waste" their time on missions (and when they stop buying things the game will shut down) so I don't expect anything from them except Z-Store items from now on.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 20
# 55
08-09-2012, 10:47 AM
What a supremely ridiculous joke this game has become.

If I could slingshot around the sun and go back in time, I would most assuredly not pay the Lifetime Sub. and be much better off for that decision.

You can take your stooopid fleet ships and shove them up your exhaust manifold Craptic Imperfect World.

Reprehensible money grabbing ****tards.

This game now has all the lustre of a "former superpower nation in debt over it's ears to a communist dictatorship that denies most basic human rights and freedoms, yet knows how to exploit capitalism to the nth degree"

I could elaborate my shared frustrations even more, but what is the point? Deaf ears and all...
Ensign
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 8
# 56
08-09-2012, 10:55 AM
Honestly, if you want to grind, there is nothing in this game you need to pay real money for. End of story. Granted, it's faster and easier to pay, but you don't have to. I just bought the Fleet Patrol Escort, thats 20000 FC's and 4 modules. Now I already had almost 200k FCs, so that's not the hard part. I crafted one MkXII purp tactical console, got 20 mil, and there were 3 modules right there. Then a little more grinding for EC, got the 4th, and poof, my new ship. This isn't rocket science folks, you just have to put the time in!
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# 57
08-09-2012, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by sakaiseven View Post
Honestly, if you want to grind, there is nothing in this game you need to pay real money for. End of story. Granted, it's faster and easier to pay, but you don't have to. I just bought the Fleet Patrol Escort, thats 20000 FC's and 4 modules. Now I already had almost 200k FCs, so that's not the hard part. I crafted one MkXII purp tactical console, got 20 mil, and there were 3 modules right there. Then a little more grinding for EC, got the 4th, and poof, my new ship. This isn't rocket science folks, you just have to put the time in!
Not sure if you realize it, but in 6-8 months *all* current ships will be obsoleted by Tier 3 fleet ships and higher. And, oh yeah, your current, 'precious' purple gear will have become entry-level too... Unless you keep paying the man, of course.

I'm saying people should let the reality of this sink in for a moment: *everything* you can acquire in game by grinding will ere long be outclassed by having-to-pay-for fleet stuff.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 144
# 58
08-10-2012, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jace0andrews View Post
The thing I can see from all of this and from what I have gathered from people that were playing before STO went FTP, is that it seems that they are finding more and more ways to get us to pay for the game. So essentially they are taking the free to play and throwing it out the window.
Well, you see, life is tough. That means there are no free things anywhere. There are things what appear to be free, yes. And the mastery to sell something is to convince your customer that he has made a good deal. And what is the best deal ? To get something for nothing, apparently. But this deal is that of the thief, and not of an honourable person.

You are right, that the words "free to play" suggest that you don't have to pay for it. But think about it. Would you provide something for someone, free of any charge ? Each one of us has to live. Our time is valuable, isn't it ? "thou shall not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn". So if we think a little we realize that absolute "free to play" cannot be accomplisehd. The company has to get it's money. You see it right, they do want to make you pay. The free to play part is juts the incentive to get you know their product better, in order for you to become a buyer. This is not a bad or mischievous act, it is marketing (although you know what Bill Hicks said about marketing - if don't search youtube).

I am just saying that expecting getting something for nothing is a naive thing to do. Remember, the choice to buy anything, from subscription, to costumes, things that cost money, is yours. They do not force it on you. You can always choose to fly a T4 ship, never buying a T5 z store one for example. I for one did not buy one yet, (but I did buy other things I held valuable). On the other hand, once you get into dilithium farming, your free player status becomes virtual. Because if you do this, you are not doing anything else but invest your time into the game, working to create a product other players will buy. Time is money. Thus, you don't actually pay for the game using real life currency, but you pay for it using your valuable time. That such person ( me included) plays for free, is an illusion, generated by the fact that many people outthere don't know the value of their time.

Anyway, I hope I have shown that the honest thing to do is to pay for a game, a product, pay for your entartainment, because it has production costs. And all the free to play thing we can thank to file sharing networks, and the so called online piracy. And than we have to think, as the thieves we are, we created this world and this industry. So really here is noone to blame but ourselves. That a producer is smart and finds ways to sell his product ... and he advertises free to play because we are used to free downloads and free entertainment ... whose fault is that in the end ?
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# 59
02-04-2013, 08:43 PM
This kinda limits people who dont want to spend money in the game ... sux IMO
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# 60
02-04-2013, 08:48 PM
Shoot Zombies on site

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Originally Posted by slayer0676 View Post
This kinda limits people who dont want to spend money in the game ... sux IMO
You can buy them on the exchange for about 5m EC
or ... Earn dilithium, convert to Zen, buy Module.
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