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# 21
07-22-2012, 07:51 AM
See point about cold meeting hot again.
Boom!


And despite what people think, space is not cold.
It's actually quite hot, in terms of energy.
Without the proper shielding, solar radiation will cook you in minutes.

Also, being a vaccuum, it's harder to "leech" body heat away.

Heat will move from a hot object to a cold one, but in space, there's nothing cold, no atmosphere.
So, unless you happen to touch a comet or a frozen moon, your body heat isn't going anywhere.

So, just because Borg can walk about on the hull of a spaceship without spacesuits doesn't indicate they have any cold tolerance.
If anything, it means just the opposite, they're having to resist severe levels of heat.
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# 22
07-23-2012, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by hrisvalar View Post
Built-in heating elements. Now back to you. How are you going to remodulate your snow cannon to get past that?

In all seriousness though, you shouldn't press the 'makes sense' point of fighting Borg with chilliness too much. We've seen these things walk around on the hull of starships without so much as a sweater, and space has been known to be a little nippy from time to time. Be glad that your frosty supersoaker does any damage at all.
Aww I was hoping no one would point that out.

In first contact they easily survived the cold void of space, cold compressed gases they should be able to shrug off easy enough.
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# 23
07-24-2012, 11:25 AM
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I really doubt they can.

There's an Enterprise episode where the Borg "die" because their vessel crashes into the north pole and they're frozen solid.

It's not until they're defrosted that their nanites can reactivate them.

So, based on this evidence, I would assume that the Borg are as vulnerable to extreme cold as anyone else.

Somehow they survive in space, but different physics principles apply there.
It's harder for body heat to be leeched in space and the radiation levels cook you anyway, so I would assume that being in space is something they can resist.

And cold doesn't really have frequencies, as I've said, it's natural.
Except that the Borg did not die. They just hibernated and as soon as they were thawed out, their bodies began repairing themselves. Perhaps the best explanation is that they simply were running out of energy and shut down, at which point they no longer were maintaining any metabolic processes, or were at an extremely reduced rate.

I think the OP has a point though. The borg adapt to energy weapons because they put out particles with a specific De Broglie wavelength frequency. It is not clear how "cold" weapons or Borg shield technology works, so it is difficult to come up with a scientific rational for whether or not they could adapt. Are the Cryogenic weapons shooting low-temperature gas? If so, perhaps the shields could adapt to the De Broglie wavelength of the atoms. Are they shooting some kind of an energy beam that can be used as a heat pump, like how laser cooling works? Then perhaps they can adapt to the frequency of that energy beam.
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# 24
07-24-2012, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by tilarta View Post
See point about cold meeting hot again.
Boom!


And despite what people think, space is not cold.
It's actually quite hot, in terms of energy.
Without the proper shielding, solar radiation will cook you in minutes.

Also, being a vaccuum, it's harder to "leech" body heat away.

Heat will move from a hot object to a cold one, but in space, there's nothing cold, no atmosphere.
So, unless you happen to touch a comet or a frozen moon, your body heat isn't going anywhere.

So, just because Borg can walk about on the hull of a spaceship without spacesuits doesn't indicate they have any cold tolerance.
If anything, it means just the opposite, they're having to resist severe levels of heat.
Actually, space is quite cold, overall. The low temperature interstellar medium is only a few degrees above absolute zero. However, the ISM around Earth is actually quite hot, about the temperature of the surface of the sun. But, it is also very low density, which means that it imparts very little heat.

Solar radiation will not "cook" you. The average human being radiates about 200 watts of power. The solar flux from the sun is about 350 Watts/m^2. So, someone in direct sunlight with perfect emissivity might be able to be heated up by direct sunlight in Earth's orbit. However, any blockage of the sun will drop the flux to nearly zero, which means the human body will quickly radiate heat via blackbody radiation. This is why a human being would freeze in the vaccume of space, not because space is cold (it is actually quite warm around earth's orbit) but rather because space is a near vaccume and the human body will radiate heat very quickly while absorbing nearly no heat through conduction.

Remember, there are three ways to gain/lose energy via heat transfer and humans, like every object in the universe, are always losing energy through blackbody radiation.
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# 25
07-24-2012, 12:02 PM
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# 26
07-24-2012, 12:02 PM
I agree the Borg should nkt be able to adapt to the cold that is canon.... incompacitated or dead Borg were usually frozen
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