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# 11
07-27-2012, 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by rayezilla View Post
What are your thoughts on the fleet assault cruiser versus the fleet HEC for an eng captain?

I know I'm comparing apples to oranges but I could use some input
I did not see a Fleet Assault Cruiser the last time I checked my fleet shipyard. So I am not aware that there is one.

I am not sure which ship you mean by HEC either. If you are talking about the Exploration Cruisers, it really comes down to what sort of ship you like. Exploration Cruisers are all-out engineering. Assault Cruisers have a little more tactical juice because of console layout and because they swap the eng ensign with a tac ensign. Generally I prefer the tactical angle but it all depends on how you play. Also Assault Cruisers turn slightly faster but have slightly less hull.

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# 12
07-27-2012, 01:47 AM
Tier 2 is up. Added to original post.

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# 13
07-27-2012, 01:51 AM
You have a mistake there. Fleet recon gets another tac console, not engineering one.
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# 14
07-27-2012, 07:32 AM
Oh, sorry about that: I'm comparing

Fleet assault cruiser: http://tinyurl.com/cglnzg7

with the

Fleet heavy escort carrier: http://tinyurl.com/cot3ecj

note: I am an eng captain, looking for a ship that can tank a tac cube but also do high damage. Also, on the fleet assault cruiser refit, it's hard to see but the last Lt. boff slot is universal.
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# 15
07-27-2012, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by smi3th View Post
I am not sure which ship you mean by HEC either.
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HEC = Heavy Escort Carrier
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# 16
07-27-2012, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by rayezilla View Post
Oh, sorry about that: I'm comparing

Fleet assault cruiser: http://tinyurl.com/cglnzg7

with the

Fleet heavy escort carrier: http://tinyurl.com/cot3ecj

note: I am an eng captain, looking for a ship that can tank a tac cube but also do high damage. Also, on the fleet assault cruiser refit, it's hard to see but the last Lt. boff slot is universal.
Okay, I'm sorry, thought we were still talking about cruisers.

Yes, it is apples and oranges - escorts and cruisers play very differently, so it depends on your playing style. The best advice anyone can give you is to buy something you will enjoy using.

If you have already paid for the Heavy Escort Carrier then the Fleet Version is a steal at 500 Zen. It adds 10% shields and an extra console to an already great ship. The thing about the Heavy Escort Carrier is that it is a top-level escort that adds a hangar bay and doesn't lose anything in the process. That's why it costs 2500 Zen.

As for the Fleet Assault Cruiser, it hits harder than a regular cruiser, and the universal slot is nice, but against borg you need those Hazard Emitters so in my mind it might as well have been a sci slot. If you are good at flying cruisers it might be worth it, but if you are used to flying escorts you will find the low turn rate to be just painful.

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# 17
07-27-2012, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by smi3th View Post
I missed the Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier, you are right. But of the others, as far as I know:

Fleet Tactical Escort - a version of a level 30 free ship. Upgrade to the free ship is 1500 Zen.

Fleet Advanced Escort - a version of a free ship. No upgrade exists unless you mean the multi-vector ship which the Fleet version is not. And actually this ship is not yet listed in the shipyards so we may never get it, and we don't need to since the Fleet Patrol Escort basically does both jobs.

Fleet Exploration Cruiser - a version of a level 30 free ship. Upgrade to the free ship is 1500 Zen.

Fleet Nebula - based on an an upgrade to a level 20 free ship which costs 1000 Zen.

Fleet Long Range Sci Vessel - a version of a level 30 free ship. Upgrade to the free ship is 1500 Zen.

This is my understanding but if you can direct me to an official page on the website that contradicts me please do. It is confusing since many of the ships have similar names.

If so I'm not sure how I feel about it because on the one hand it makes the fleet ship more expensive if you didn't have the non-fleet version (buying the Zen store ship just for the discount loses you money), whereas you will be happy if the ship you already bought is one which has a Fleet Version.

There's definitely no 2000+ Zen ships as fleet ships on the KDF side. A lot of KDF players are unhappy that there's no Fleet Guramba. Also none of the Gorn ships made it into Fleet Ships.

Peet
The Fleet Tactical Escort is an upgrade to the T5 Tactical Escort Retrofit.
The Fleet Advanced Escort does have the MVAE BOFF layout.
The Fleet Nebula appears to be an upgrade to the T5 version.
The Fleet Exploration Escort appears to be an upgrade to the T5 Exploration.
The Fleet Long Range Sci Vessel appears to be an upgrade to the T5 Long Range Sci Vessel

All these ships come with a special console at T5. That Console is limited to only that hull type. I seriously think that all the Fleet ships are improvements of the T5 not the T3/T4 versions.
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# 18
07-28-2012, 12:58 AM
Well I broke down and bought the Fleet Heavy Cruiser Retrofit.
I love ships that you can Customize. Hate ships you cant, like the Damn Oddy.
I knew it wasnt really an upgrade over the other cruisers I fly, Dread, Assault Cruiser, Oddy, etc.
The extra Sci console slot just makes up for its lesser Shield mod by Stacking a 3rd Shield Gen.

The Difference is the turn. Which puts it on par with the Excelsior. Which I went back and forth over which to buy. But I love the look of the Model from the Stargazer/Dakota more then the Excelsior, so Im not Dissapointed at all.
Great little ship. Plus grinded too much already into Fleet Starbase to feel like it was waisted so far so that also pushed me. lol
But, complete Vanity purchase for sure. The ship shouldn't be less then its counterparts in Hull and Shield. That feels wrong.
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# 19
07-28-2012, 01:41 AM
Would like to point out that the Fleet Research Space Science Vessel has a shield modifier of 1.22, and retrofit of 1.1. The basic model has a shield mod of 1.3. So the retrofit and fleet versions have a negative value on shield strength than the previous model.

Goes the same with Science vessel to retrofit and fleet. (Nova)

So, the descriptions should say, increased hull hit points and reduced shield strength lol

Last edited by chi1701d; 07-28-2012 at 01:54 AM.
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# 20
07-28-2012, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by synthiasuicide View Post
Well I broke down and bought the Fleet Heavy Cruiser Retrofit.
I love ships that you can Customize. Hate ships you cant, like the Damn Oddy.
I knew it wasnt really an upgrade over the other cruisers I fly, Dread, Assault Cruiser, Oddy, etc.
The extra Sci console slot just makes up for its lesser Shield mod by Stacking a 3rd Shield Gen.

The Difference is the turn. Which puts it on par with the Excelsior. Which I went back and forth over which to buy. But I love the look of the Model from the Stargazer/Dakota more then the Excelsior, so Im not Dissapointed at all.
Great little ship. Plus grinded too much already into Fleet Starbase to feel like it was waisted so far so that also pushed me. lol
But, complete Vanity purchase for sure. The ship shouldn't be less then its counterparts in Hull and Shield. That feels wrong.
Well, as I mention the Fleet Heavy Cruiser isn't a great buy in terms of stats, but it is the only fleet cruiser with a tactical angle. The Star Cruiser is sci and the Exploration Cruiser is eng. Of course there's also the Oddysey in case you don't mind everyone else out-turning you.

If enough players raise their voices about it PWE might beef the stats for this ship.

And that would be a good thing.
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