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# 21
07-26-2012, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
well thats totally wrong. each tactical console adds the same amount of damage, there are no diminishing returns. with each console the % of increase damage is less, because your total damage is that much higher, the goalposts of the equations changed. but the benefit from the console it additive. 1 console + 3 consoles gives just as much additional damage as 1 console + 4 consoles

TL;DR, ANOTHER 5 tac console escort is a BAD THING
To be fair, each tac console only affects your dps by a little under 7 percent.

Hence why I would much rather have a 4th sci console, where Particle Generators will be much more substantially buffed than a pithy 5th tac slot. On a boff layout no less that is much much more sci friendly. The 5th tac slot, does almost nothing for the MVAM compared to what it would do for an AE.

Also, yeah the only difference here is 1 console. I wonder if they are going to make me buy 4 tokens or if I'm only going to have to buy 1 since I own both the AE, and MVAMs already.

MVAM and Fleet Mvam (because that's what this is. not an AE Captain Inbred strikes again!), are literally just 1 console different from what I'm seeing.
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# 22
07-26-2012, 09:04 AM
If you have MVAE you should pay just one token.
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# 23
07-26-2012, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by dalnar83 View Post
If you have MVAE you should pay just one token.
That's the theory, but bear in mind that for some bizarre reason it's called a "Fleet Advanced Escort" (just to confuse people for laughs at the dev office?) and if you look at the chart they posted on the blog, they haven't actually included the MVAM console as something that it can fit. I'd be very surprised if that really turned out to be the case, but honestly you never know.
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# 24
07-26-2012, 09:10 AM
Ah, my bad...I was following the logical pattern....I forgot it's Cryptic Hopefuly, I will pay just 1 token for my noobula, although would prefer if it offered something more interesting.
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# 25
07-26-2012, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by shimmerless View Post
That's the theory, but bear in mind that for some bizarre reason it's called a "Fleet Advanced Escort" (just to confuse people for laughs at the dev office?) and if you look at the chart they posted on the blog, they haven't actually included the MVAM console as something that it can fit. I'd be very surprised if that really turned out to be the case, but honestly you never know.
It would, in my opinion, be something of a waste of time without the MVAM, and I wouldn't buy it.
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# 26
07-26-2012, 10:08 AM
I REALLY think that Cryptic need to stop giving ALL the best configurations to only one side of the equation. Seriously, please.

When is the KDF going to be receive an iota of escort-capable BOP's, upgraded to the new fleet ships. The current BOP's left the nest too soon. They will expire before the first rains.

Last edited by drkfrontiers; 07-26-2012 at 10:10 AM.
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# 27
07-26-2012, 10:17 AM
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I REALLY think that Cryptic need to stop giving ALL the best configurations to only one side of the equation. Seriously, please.

When is the KDF going to be receive an iota of escort-capable BOP's, upgraded to the new fleet ships. The current BOP's left the nest too soon. They will expire before the first rains.
That side of the equation is lock boxes.

The funny thing is, all they did was increase it's dps by 7 percent. I won't be able to confirm till the cstore comes back up to double check cstore mvam, but I'm 90 percent sure that it has the exact same stats otherwise to the cstore one.

(Also, that 7 percent increase really is not 7 percent due to the turn rate of the AE/MVAM, and it's borked turning axis, which becomes a huge factor vs ships that don't have borked axis)
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# 28
07-26-2012, 10:22 AM
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That side of the equation is lock boxes.

The funny thing is, all they did was increase it's dps by 7 percent. I won't be able to confirm till the cstore comes back up to double check cstore mvam, but I'm 90 percent sure that it has the exact same stats otherwise to the cstore one.

(Also, that 7 percent increase really is not 7 percent due to the turn rate of the AE/MVAM, and it's borked turning axis, which becomes a huge factor vs ships that don't have borked axis)
Mav I believe you are right. I was just thinking that it seems that the KDF has been intentionally given poor choices, forcing a PvP-orientated faction to find better ships elsewhere aka. lockbox ships.

And they know we would be suckers for it.

The 7% increase here, the 7% increase there ... it all starts to add up at the end of the day.

The way it currently stands the Starfleet escorts can deal more damage that the KDF, and have better sci/ eng vessels to support them, than the KDF have to heal that damage.

less crew to support = better uptime.
more hull.
more shield mod.
better turn rates
more offensive.
more options.

The cards are stacked against the KDF from the very start, and now they even make it worse??? Unbelievable.

Last edited by drkfrontiers; 07-26-2012 at 10:29 AM.
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# 29
07-26-2012, 10:29 AM
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Mav I believe you are right. I was just thinking that it seems that the KDF has been intentionally given poor choices, forcing a PvP-orientated faction to find better ships elsewhere aka. lockbox ships.

And they know we would be suckers for it.

The 7% increase here, the 7% increase there ... it all starts to add up at the end of the day.
If they had given the Fleet MVAM a 4th sci console imo it could have actually stood toe to toe with a Bug. Instead they left it an inferior choice.

I feel your pain there man. The only three ships I want on the kDF, is the Fleet Vorcha, Fleet Nausicaan ship, Fleet Negvhar. The rest aren't worth the time nor investment. Well maybe that Corsair cruiser, that looks fairly promising. The X Wing I was just -dying- to get when they announced the ning tao was getting the FLeet Refit, and then they released the friggin stats.

It's a god damn shuttle on steroids. Seriously, if you gave my Flyer that boff layout I bet I could go toe to toe with the X Wing bop that's on the roster now. Ever since I saw that skin I was in love with it, and then the Cryptic Struck Back, ever determined to keep me from feeling happy about this game for more than a few minutes at a time.

Last edited by mavairo; 07-26-2012 at 10:34 AM.
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# 30
07-26-2012, 10:36 AM
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If they had given the Fleet MVAM a 4th sci console imo it could have actually stood toe to toe with a Bug. Instead they left it an inferior choice.

I feel your pain there man. The only three ships I want on the kDF, is the Fleet Vorcha, Fleet Nausicaan ship, Fleet Negvhar. The rest aren't worth the time nor investment. Well maybe that Corsair cruiser, that looks fairly promising. The X Wing I was just -dying- to get when they announced the ning tao was getting the FLeet Refit, and then they released the friggin stats.

It's a god damn shuttle on steroids. Seriously, if you gave my Flyer that boff layout I bet I could go toe to toe with the X Wing bop that's on the roster now. Ever since I saw that skin I was in love with it, and then the Cryptic Struck Back, ever determined to keep me from feeling happy about this game for more than a few minutes at a time.
Some good did come from Cryptics hand. I am now guilt free blowing people apart in my Jem'Hadar and Recluse
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