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# 1 Ensign Tac is pretty useless.
07-26-2012, 05:54 PM
Escorts shouldn't be sacrificing A Lt. Cmdr Boff Slot when they should be DPS orientated. Lt. Cmdr Sci / Eng should be done on non DPS focused Ships like Cruisers and Sci Vessels.

If we had a layout where we had Two Lt Tactical / 1 Cmdr tactical. This would be slightly more useful but IMO, Cmdr Tac / Lt Cmdr Tac is the best layout (2x Tac Team / 2x Attack Patterns / THY / 2x SV or CRF)

I'd like to see a little more diversity with my Boff layouts. I have no use for that Ensign Tactical besides run a THY1 which is far from useful.

I play an Eng / Escort build trying to aim for Tanky/DPS. It works really well on my AE, but these new ships don't interest me at all.

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# 2
07-26-2012, 06:15 PM
I think the escort you are talking about is the Armitage right? Well it gets a hangar, so to help balance things it gets a substandard BOff layout. You have to give up using fighters if you want a better layout.
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# 3
07-26-2012, 06:26 PM
I generally just throw in 2x tac teams and run them 24/7 + Torp HY1, running 3/3 DHC/Turrets + Torp. LTC has Torp Spread 3 + torp defense console (similar to firing 2x Spread 3s simultaneously, excellent follow up for when energy weapons take out shields). The HY1 isn't great, but it does provide the torp a little extra umph every cooldown.

Not ideal, but at least then it gets use (and 2x Tac Teams does provide a lot of survivability).
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# 4
07-26-2012, 06:26 PM
Tac Team 1 is a great ensign level BoFF power, normally if I have an ensign only Tac slot I'll put that in it.
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# 5
07-26-2012, 06:29 PM
I am talking about the Fleet Advanced Escort for the most part. I LOVE the Heavy Escort but the Fighters are a no-no for me. I have bad experience with a Vo'Quv =)

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# 6
07-26-2012, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by marc8219 View Post
I think the escort you are talking about is the Armitage right? Well it gets a hangar, so to help balance things it gets a substandard BOff layout. You have to give up using fighters if you want a better layout.
Not just Armitage...

All the Tier 5.1 ships (Defiant-R, MVAE, Armitage), and the fleet versions of Defiant and Armitage all have the same BOff layout - Cmdr, LtCmdr, Ens Tac, Lt Sci, Lt Eng. (per wiki)

Now, consider that Tactical Ensign skills are fairly gimped - no patterns (attack or dispersal), no cannon skills. This leaves beam skills (BFAW & BO), torp skills (spread & overload/heavy), and maybe the target subsystems for ensign. Knowing that an all cannon build cannot use TS:x or the two beam skills, leaves exactly 3 powers to fill 3 ensign slots: Tac Team I, Torp Spread I, Overload Torp I.

Common forum posters / game etiquette claims that you don't stick one beam on a cannon escort just to use BFAW or BO (micro-lance). Wiki claims that TS:x doesn't have a tac officer I variant, but if it did, again beam for one ability? Shared cooldowns mess with using say Torp overload I & II, and tac team's cooldowns really screw with using two, unless you dedicate to tac-team only (cause Sci team and Eng team all use the same cooldown).

I agree with the OP, 3x tactical ensign slots on a cannon escort = very restrictive.
Well, with the upgrade announcement leaving NX and Connie fans in the dust again, can we restart / revisit the T5 Connie and NX threads - since they will no longer be "truly" endgame ships... (after we get the T5 versions, it'll be time to see them added to the T5U upgrade charts too...
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# 7
07-26-2012, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by dareau View Post
Not just Armitage...

All the Tier 5.1 ships (Defiant-R, MVAE, Armitage), and the fleet versions of Defiant and Armitage all have the same BOff layout - Cmdr, LtCmdr, Ens Tac, Lt Sci, Lt Eng. (per wiki)



I agree with the OP, 3x tactical ensign slots on a cannon escort = very restrictive.
Defiant at least gets the Lt Cmdr Tac station unlike the armitage or MV, but yes on all of them you have to use torpedos or waste an ensign slot. I find torpedo spread 1 works ok here as its still strong enough to deal with pet spam.
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# 8
07-26-2012, 07:41 PM
I would love something to replace my Ensign Tac slot... it just seems like my Defiant is tied down. Maybe add a Lt Tac instead?
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# 9
07-26-2012, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by asardetemplari View Post
I would love something to replace my Ensign Tac slot... it just seems like my Defiant is tied down. Maybe add a Lt Tac instead?
Was thinking of this but because you're limited by 12 slots total, and one of them seems to have to be Ensign a Universal Ensign slot would be what I'd like

Or a 2x Cmdr Setup =P

2x Cmdr Tac / 1x Lt Eng / 1x Ens Sci / 1x Ens Universal (Only because I want my RSP1)

That would be pretty damn good. Could run 2 Omegas III or 2 Cannon Buffs.



I am silly but I'd spec dual Cmdr Tacs something like this

TT1 / Beta 1 / THY III / CSV 3
TT1 / Delta 1 / Omega 1 / CSV 3

or

TT1 / THY 2 / CRF 2 (CSV2) / Omega 3
TT1 / THY 2 / CRF 2 (CSV2) / Omega 3

As these are the two major setups I use right now on a Lt Cmdr / Cmdr setup.

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Last edited by sdkraust; 07-26-2012 at 07:57 PM.
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# 10
07-26-2012, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by sdkraust View Post
Was thinking of this but because you're limited by 12 slots total, and one of them seems to have to be Ensign a Universal Ensign slot would be what I'd like

Or a 2x Cmdr Setup =P

2x Cmdr Tac / 1x Lt Eng / 1x Ens Sci / 1x Ens Universal (Only because I want my RSP1)

That would be pretty damn good. Could run 2 Omegas III or 2 Cannon Buffs.
Very true.
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