Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Jul 2012
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# 11
07-26-2012, 08:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dareau View Post
Not just Armitage...

All the Tier 5.1 ships (Defiant-R, MVAE, Armitage), and the fleet versions of Defiant and Armitage all have the same BOff layout - Cmdr, LtCmdr, Ens Tac, Lt Sci, Lt Eng. (per wiki)
The Wiki is Wrong, the Fleet (and normal) Armitage has a Eng Lt.Com and thus a Tac Com, Lt and Ens.
The Fleet (and Multi Vector) Advanced Escort has a Sci Lt.Com and thus a Tac Com, Lt and Ens.

The Fleet Patrol Escort has a Uni Ensign.

If you don't want a Tac Ensign pick another ship or use a DBB/Torpedo.

Klingons for a long time got no choice with their Tac Ensign.
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Commander
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# 12
07-27-2012, 05:39 PM
I agree right now that its pretty worthless, maybe they should move at least 1 cannon skill to slot 1. Maybe rapidfire 1 so at least we have a beam, torp and cannon. Right now I run a quad, x3 dhc, x3 turret so im stuck with 3 tac teams wich is just stupid.
Captain
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# 13
07-27-2012, 06:54 PM
I happen to like the MVAE setup. 3 cannons and a torp fore three turrets aft. APO3 in the CDR, CSV in LCDR CRF in LT and TT1. for the LT CSV and TT1 and the ens either tropr spread1 or HYT1 I use the LCDR sci for GW to slow the spam so CSV is more effective. if you are not running TT x2 then you are losing on DPS and survivability
Commander
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# 14
07-27-2012, 09:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vetteguy904 View Post
I happen to like the MVAE setup. 3 cannons and a torp fore three turrets aft. APO3 in the CDR, CSV in LCDR CRF in LT and TT1. for the LT CSV and TT1 and the ens either tropr spread1 or HYT1 I use the LCDR sci for GW to slow the spam so CSV is more effective. if you are not running TT x2 then you are losing on DPS and survivability
The issue is not x2 its the x3 part. Some of us dont run torps or beams. Makeing the 3rd worthless.
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# 15
07-28-2012, 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by sdkraust View Post
Escorts shouldn't be sacrificing A Lt. Cmdr Boff Slot when they should be DPS orientated. Lt. Cmdr Sci / Eng should be done on non DPS focused Ships like Cruisers and Sci Vessels.

If we had a layout where we had Two Lt Tactical / 1 Cmdr tactical. This would be slightly more useful but IMO, Cmdr Tac / Lt Cmdr Tac is the best layout (2x Tac Team / 2x Attack Patterns / THY / 2x SV or CRF)

I'd like to see a little more diversity with my Boff layouts. I have no use for that Ensign Tactical besides run a THY1 which is far from useful.

I play an Eng / Escort build trying to aim for Tanky/DPS. It works really well on my AE, but these new ships don't interest me at all.

a Lt tactical boff on a escort is not really useless. The boff's layout of MVAE is good for survival because of the LtCmr science boff. Think about this:

ensign tact: TT1
Lt tact: TT1, "what you like"
Cmd tact: "what you like", CRF1, APO1, CRF3

lt eng: EPtS1, EPtS2

lt cmd Sci: TSS1, TSS2, HE3

with that configuration you can have a great resistance, however it's true that for a really DPS oriented escort the Advanced Escort tactical boff's layout is better. And to be onest I stopped using the MVAE and start using the Adv Escort (with the universal console of the MVAE) to have a greater DPS.

At this moment I do not like the fleet advanced escort, I'd like the boff's layout of the advanced escort, so if I'll change my ship I will take the fleet tactical escort retrofit
Survivor of Romulus
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# 16
07-28-2012, 02:13 AM
Perhaps I'm confused here but there are ships with only 2 Ensign tac slots that are escorts why complain about the MVAE or the HEC when you could fly one of those.

The far less useful Ensign Tac slot is offset by the Sci or Eng Lt.Com and the ships special abilities.

Now as the the Tactical, that's great if you want CRF, HY & CSV, TS on the one ship but less wonderful if you want a 4 DHC build. Instead of ******** pick another ship or leave the ensign blank.
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Lt. Commander
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# 17
07-28-2012, 05:34 AM
Considering that both of the free Tier 5 escorts don't have the Boff layout you are complaining about, what is the issue? Either what you gain for the other options is worth the Boff layout trade off or not, pick accordingly. I think ships that do gain in one area should lose out in another to maintain some level of balance, but maybe that is just me...
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# 18
07-28-2012, 09:02 AM
MVAM and HEC are some of the best ships in the game if you know what you are doing. THY1 and BO1 are great for that slot. I don't think Cryptic ever intended its Bro layouts for all canon builds.
Commander
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# 19
07-28-2012, 09:25 AM
the ensign tac BOFF can be useful on alle 3 since it frees up your space for other nice surprises.
I run tac team 1 in my defiant R's ensign slot so ican have access to some more potent items like torp spread which can tagged with AP Alpha and Omega and any other tac buff like Fire on my Mark and shield sub target this turns a small group of ships into shrapnel real fast.
Ensign
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# 20
07-28-2012, 10:04 AM
As far as I see it, the MVAE is designed for a beam layout and the AE is designed for cannons. With the new fleet ships, you will lose much of the flexibility of those both ships. You can not change anymore between your roll. You are now forced! If you want to stay competitive you must choose one of the new ships. Most of us have already at least have one c-store ship and surely you would like to buy the improved version of that same ship too. Most players (as far as I experience it, use the AE because of the higher dps possibilities.

With the new fleet version of the AE you loose a very good BOFF layout for cannons and you are forced now into a layout for beams. Surely we could use other ships, but many of us would loose than the ability for the c-store console in the new ship. (I guess that can not be the point).

If you are using the MVAE layout, you are just handicapped. This layout just prevents you from the maximum dps possible. Cannons do just the most dmg possible. You can love or hate that fact.

It reminds me of an solider who was earlier a killer and now, i'll break his hands and force him to fight again...
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