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# 91
07-29-2012, 12:44 PM
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Well I will say one thing, you give courage to your convictions and I respect that.

I do think Crypic started out with the best intentions, however I don't think they understood the sheer magnitude of the ip that is trek and I think they have bitten off more than they chew.

Ask yourself this question, you keep mentioning these are good people, why then do we have Stahl with his "lies", Devs saying there is no content drought, foundry will not replace dev missions, if a country blocks lock boxes, there not bothered, they won't make certain ships because a dev doesnt like them on and on etc.

I think you put the Devs on too high a pedestal.
Thanks.

As for the question...

* Dstahl is idealistic; he wants all he's saying to happen, he truly does, as far as I've heard. The problem is his goals constantly overshoot reality... in a certain light, it can be seen as lies, I admit that. But I believe lies have to have an intention behind them, ie that you want to lie on purpose or you want to lie to boost people's feelings. Dan's words don't really have the former, but they may have the latter.

So I believe he's either lying to try and keep people here with STO, both for business reasons and to give feedback on STO's changes. Or... he truly believes in what he's saying, and doing what he can with what he's got. I don't know which it is, so I gotta think between them, and decide which it is on instincts. So far, it's been the latter (that he's trying the best he can).

* As for content drought, to the devs, they believe any and all stuff they create is considered content. To them, there was/is no drought because they made new stuff for us to do, even if it wasn't mission content. Some of us don't believe that qualfies as content, and I respect that, but to the devs, they probably believed it was true. At least that's what I think.

* As for foundry content... well, let's face it: the missions created, while not official content, are mission content. Many believe that foundry should add-on, not replace official mission content... but the devs know those mission are as good, if not better than their own. Having the players play Foundry missions allows them to focus their resources elsewhere.

And personally, I think it's a good idea. I don't see why others have an issue with that (the replacing aspect) imho.

* Blocking lockboxes, that could be several reasons. One, most of the paying customers are in the U.S. (I'm not saying there aren't other countries that play, I know there are), and we've seen this in the patching times, trying to mostly not interfere with those times schedules. So... blocking a prime source of revenue in another country might not actually put that big a dent in their profits. But I can't say this for sure, considering I don't have any access to their revenue numbers.

Two, as I've argued somewhere on here, I believe the devs are showing signs that they don't like the lockboxes (or anything PWE's forcing them to do). So a country blocking lockboxes, or threatening to, they're seeing as a sign PWE might reconsider lockboxes because of lost profits, so they're not concerned for that reason.

Those are the only reasons I can think of. They're not very good, I agree, but it's all I got right now.

* Can't quite argue on the ship issue, because I haven't really been affected by those discussions... hence I probably don't want to get involved.


Either way... it's a complicated issue, to be sure. I have my pedestal of them, based on various factors and aspects, some of which I've already explained. And others have their pedestals, whatever their condition might be.

The reason my pedastal seems high is probably because of a quirk of mine: that I'm never bothered when I'm lied to (occasionally lied to; constantly is another matter). So, to me, the devs occasionally lying never bothered me, and still doesn't.
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# 92
07-29-2012, 02:52 PM
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* As for foundry content... well, let's face it: the missions created, while not official content, are mission content. Many believe that foundry should add-on, not replace official mission content... but the devs know those mission are as good, if not better than their own. Having the players play Foundry missions allows them to focus their resources elsewhere.

And personally, I think it's a good idea. I don't see why others have an issue with that (the replacing aspect) imho.
I think that the reason people feel the Foundry should add-on instead of replace official missions is a hold over from when the game was subscription based, the idea being that we were paying them to create missions (content) for us to play.

However, at least in my case I know that I am more interested in seeing the games main story line continue instead of seeing what other players come up with.
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# 93
07-29-2012, 05:30 PM
I was so bored I made an image just for this thread. There really is an image now for every situation.

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# 94
07-30-2012, 04:41 AM
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I think that the reason people feel the Foundry should add-on instead of replace official missions is a hold over from when the game was subscription based, the idea being that we were paying them to create missions (content) for us to play.

However, at least in my case I know that I am more interested in seeing the games main story line continue instead of seeing what other players come up with.
I second this completely.
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# 95
07-30-2012, 05:55 AM
i like both, main and foundry stories
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# 96
07-30-2012, 06:02 AM
Bran Fleaks, any chance of an ASK Cryptic for next month?
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# 97
07-30-2012, 06:13 AM
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Bran Fleaks, any chance of an ASK Cryptic for next month?
Why? It's just going to be fluff like this instead of them dealing with the real issues.
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# 98
07-30-2012, 09:41 AM
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Why? It's just going to be fluff like this instead of them dealing with the real issues.
/agreed
That was the worst most vague state of the game yet. It told us basically nothing, similar to the season 6 launch when they failed to mention we would be charged real money for a feature update (fleet shar ship modules). When in the prior to season 6 launch we were assured once again that we would not be charged for feature and content updates by Dan Stahl himself.

Man your escape pods...... The USS TITANIC seems to be the running bad joke at cryptic as of late.

I wish I had something more positive to report.....the free tng season 1 uniform was nice, and then they had to sink that one by not making it an account unlock.

The theme of this situation as of late is they phaser their own foot off and the bad guys always get away kinda like a GW Bush presidency...... incompetent.

Time to go back to the drawing board guys, next time you hire from the community make sure that you are not getting fan boys, if there are any left at this point?

I remember when Stahl said the community was his boss and bringing us what we ask for is his mission or something similar.......I guess Pwe changed the whole customer satisfaction aspect to Cryptic Studios.
The bar was set pretty low and lifts on occasion ,but then falls well below the medicore bar.

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# 99
07-30-2012, 09:53 AM
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My feedback which I;m sure will be removed from the main site shortly:



edit: Oh and can we please get whatever software you;re using for comments to accept a paragraph break/use of the enter key?
Why don't you, instead, go to this URL and scroll all the way to the bottom and choose Basic Editor under the Message Editor section?

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/pr...do=editoptions
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# 100
07-30-2012, 11:05 AM
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Fanactic? Not really... if I reacted to every post that said anything about them, with wild statements trying anything to do so, then I'd be a fanactic.

As it is, I'm acting on my own opinion. I've been here since Open Beta, seen Cryptic as a good business with good folks, but forced to act in bad circumstances (Atari/PWE). And in my opinion, that does not make Cryptic bad, even with the forced decisions now.

PWE is not in that boat. And they're the ones I don't support.

Why don't I respond when called out? Because sometimes I don't how to respond right away, and I don't react right away exactly to avoid saying fanatical things that would only make me look worse.

So that's why I support Cryptic, doing what I can to defend them, even in the midst of decisions like this: because I know they're good, even now, but are forced to do bad things like this. It's not inside knowledge, but pure instinct... but I stand by it. With most everyone against Cryptic just because they're following orders (something that is not something to blame them for imho), it's a hard opinion to stand by. But I do so anyway.

And my handle has nothing to do with my opinions. I chose it at Open Beta as a simple easy name, as I like Trek and I like the number 17 (which was my name before the forum change). Now, I have that same name but with 21 instead. I still like it because it partially keeps my name alive.

What will I do if proven wrong? I don't know yet, because nothing I've seen, has in my opinion been proof that my instincts are wrong. And having seen everything the game's gone through since Open Beta, that's saying something.

I believe this gentleman also thinks the earth is flat...


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