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# 81
07-28-2012, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by mewi View Post
Daniel Stahl, we appreciate what devs have put into this game, but please get your Zynga ideals out of STO or go back to Zynga which is a known predatory company that squeezes its base dry of money relentlessly until they get fed up.

Did I mention Zynga is getting pwned by quarterly losses?
I tried bringing this up when lock boxes first began, possibly earlier, and I'll say it now we're that much further down the road.

Studies always suggest a valued and satisfied customer base produces customers which spend more, and stick with a product for longer. So stop bothering everyone with gambling and messing people about with the ridiculous price hikes.

Making people pay over and over again for the same stuff [fleet modules anyone?] isn't the way forward, because, guess what, people will stop paying altogether.
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# 82
07-28-2012, 06:48 PM
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# 83
07-28-2012, 06:54 PM
I like that things are moving forward with Foundry. Very soon it will be the two year anniversary of when the Foundry was originally planned to be launched.

However, some more specifics about these feature and especially new assets would be welcomed.

Please say hi to sbugc and the foundry community at the con. Maybe throw them a bone?
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# 84
07-28-2012, 07:41 PM
As I've said before, I'm surprised CBS allows the kind of debasing of the Star Trek Franchise that PWE is doing. I know for a fact that when STO finally dies (and it will, you can only suck the player base dry for so long before backlash of being treated like a resource to mine rather than a customer kicks in) it will personally take me a long time to trust another online Star Trek game again (if I ever do). But I guess CBS just sees the $$$ coming in and not the pure hatred of the company running the game. The ONLY reason I am still here is that it is a Star Trek themed game (and I have a LTS I got before PWE took over). Had this been pretty much any other theme I would have been gone a long time ago.
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# 85
07-29-2012, 01:05 AM
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Had this been pretty much any other theme I would have been gone a long time ago.
Well said. Pretty much sums up my sentiments as well.
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# 86
07-29-2012, 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by captainvallent View Post
This, I feel, will be a HUGE boon to the game.

If we can establish a reward system that makes sense for Foundry Play (and a reward system for Foundary Authors too!!!), then we can finally nip the "No Content in this Game" gripe once and for all.

The Foundry is chuck full of great missions- missions nobody plays because of the poor rewards for them. Fix that and you open up a wealth of content for everyone, Feds and Klingons alike.
I dare say that, if you take away the rewards and strip them down to bare bone content, Foundry missions are above-and-beyond, far better than any FE.

But I ask, I implore- a great mission deserves a great reward- for the guy who made it.
These folks work hard on their missions, mostly as a labor of love, without thought of reward, only to tell a good story.

And, I don't say this because I am one. Hell, I don't even know how to use the Foundry Program. So, I have a monolithic amount of respect for those that do take the time, effort and risk to self-esteem to put their storys and their work out for the rest of us to enjoy. These guys deserve a lot- they deserve to be compensated for their hard work.
thank you for this post.
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# 87
07-29-2012, 06:48 AM
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Sweeping it under the rug? You clearly read my post wrong... as I'm trying to get to the root of the issue, and clear any biased opinions about Cryptic.

Cryptics devs are good human beings who love Star Trek; we've seen evidence of this time and time again (just check STOked). But they are caught between a rock and a hard place with the real issue that's squeezing this game: PWE

They have to do what PWE says, or no jobs and STO flatlines. And they can't say anything that suggests they don't like this arrangement. In other words... Cryptic is good but caught in bad circumstances. That does not automatically make them bad.

So, whenever I see an opinion trying to say Cryptic is just as terrible as PWE, I laugh That's just as ludricrious as the earth not rotating.
Want to know why I find you funny Trek, you always seem to act like you have some inside knowledge. Why can we not blame Cryptic? You seem hell bent on trying to deflect any critism on cryptic, but when people call you out, you don't respond.

Let's try -

1. D Stahl keeps on saying hes in control. Is he lying?
2. Stahl says he's Playing the latest f/e last year when it wasn't started. Was he lying?
3. Stahl says P/w wants a full klingOn faction. Thn says they don't. Was he lying
4. It's Atari's fault not cryptic before pw? When does it become Cryptics? In you opinion it must be never.

The more I read your posts, the more I think your a cryptic employee or just one of those scary fanatics. Your handle in fact, gives it away.

I'm still judging him by his record. It sucks to be be honest

Sorry about the typos and edit. On hols In SPain typing on my iPhone.
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014

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# 88
07-29-2012, 07:22 AM
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Want to know why I find you funny Trek, you always seem to act like you have some inside knowledge. Why can we not blame Cryptic? You seem hell bent on trying to deflect any critism on cryptic, but when people call you out, you don't respond.

Let's try -

1. D Stahl keeps on saying hes in control. Is he lying?
2. Stahl says he's Playing the latest f/e last year when it wasn't started. Was he lying?
3. Stahl says P/w wants a full klingOn faction. Thn says they don't. Was he lying
4. It's Atari's fault not cryptic before pw? When does it become Cryptics? In you opinion it must be never.

The more I read your posts, the more I think your a cryptic employee or just one of those scary fanatics. Your handle in fact, gives it away.

I'm still judging him by his record. It sucks to be be honest

Sorry about the typos and edit. On hols In SPain typing on my iPhone.
Fanactic? Not really... if I reacted to every post that said anything about them, with wild statements trying anything to do so, then I'd be a fanactic.

As it is, I'm acting on my own opinion. I've been here since Open Beta, seen Cryptic as a good business with good folks, but forced to act in bad circumstances (Atari/PWE). And in my opinion, that does not make Cryptic bad, even with the forced decisions now.

PWE is not in that boat. And they're the ones I don't support.

Why don't I respond when called out? Because sometimes I don't how to respond right away, and I don't react right away exactly to avoid saying fanatical things that would only make me look worse.

So that's why I support Cryptic, doing what I can to defend them, even in the midst of decisions like this: because I know they're good, even now, but are forced to do bad things like this. It's not inside knowledge, but pure instinct... but I stand by it. With most everyone against Cryptic just because they're following orders (something that is not something to blame them for imho), it's a hard opinion to stand by. But I do so anyway.

And my handle has nothing to do with my opinions. I chose it at Open Beta as a simple easy name, as I like Trek and I like the number 17 (which was my name before the forum change). Now, I have that same name but with 21 instead. I still like it because it partially keeps my name alive.

What will I do if proven wrong? I don't know yet, because nothing I've seen, has in my opinion been proof that my instincts are wrong. And having seen everything the game's gone through since Open Beta, that's saying something.
Was named Trek17, but still an author.

Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh'. I have nothing against the game/devs, nor any particular wish to talk bad about either, or praise most decisions. Still, it's better to be positive than cynical.

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# 89
07-29-2012, 09:44 AM
Personally the "state of the game" is that it need less grinds and more story

I don't know why story has to take such a back seat in this game. Story missions don't always have to be long or the big budget busters that the FE were. We could have had a small story mission for when D'Vak became an admiral and moved his operations to DS9 or how the Ferasan's came to join the KDF. It seems to me that that too much time and effort are spent on lockboxes. Just look at the fantastic bridge that tumorboy, aka taccofangs, did for the tholian lockbox. Most of us will never get to enjoy that bridge but we could enjoy the parliament hall of the Caitian homeworld as we plead the case for the federation for the use of their atrox carriers
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# 90
07-29-2012, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by trek21 View Post
Fanactic? Not really... if I reacted to every post that said anything about them, with wild statements trying anything to do so, then I'd be a fanactic.

As it is, I'm acting on my own opinion. I've been here since Open Beta, seen Cryptic as a good business with good folks, but forced to act in bad circumstances (Atari/PWE). And in my opinion, that does not make Cryptic bad, even with the forced decisions now.

PWE is not in that boat. And they're the ones I don't support.

Why don't I respond when called out? Because sometimes I don't how to respond right away, and I don't react right away exactly to avoid saying fanatical things that would only make me look worse.

So that's why I support Cryptic, doing what I can to defend them, even in the midst of decisions like this: because I know they're good, even now, but are forced to do bad things like this. It's not inside knowledge, but pure instinct... but I stand by it. With most everyone against Cryptic just because they're following orders (something that is not something to blame them for imho), it's a hard opinion to stand by. But I do so anyway.

And my handle has nothing to do with my opinions. I chose it at Open Beta as a simple easy name, as I like Trek and I like the number 17 (which was my name before the forum change). Now, I have that same name but with 21 instead. I still like it because it partially keeps my name alive.

What will I do if proven wrong? I don't know yet, because nothing I've seen, has in my opinion been proof that my instincts are wrong. And having seen everything the game's gone through since Open Beta, that's saying something.
Well I will say one thing, you give courage to your convictions and I respect that.

I do think Crypic started out with the best intentions, however I don't think they understood the sheer magnitude of the ip that is trek and I think they have bitten off more than they chew.

Ask yourself this question, you keep mentioning these are good people, why then do we have Stahl with his "lies", Devs saying there is no content drought, foundry will not replace dev missions, if a country blocks lock boxes, there not bothered, they won't make certain ships because a dev doesnt like them on and on etc.

I think you put the Devs on too high a pedestal.
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
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