Ensign
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 17
# 321
08-10-2012, 05:09 AM
[quote=kimmera;5218531]The nacelles on Kirk's TOS Connie are attached to the secondary hull by sticks, and you are arguing against the Galaxy X's structural integrity? Really? And if warp drive required symmetry, why are the nacelles set so far back? Shouldn't they be centered front to back to ensure an even warp bubble?

Fair enough on not liking the aesthetics, though


Aight, you may have a point with the Connie, or not when you look at their track record. How many of them actually survived their five year missions?!?! I'm actually starting to believe Cryptic was right making them Tier 1. Forget the SIF, what were they using for inertial dampeners?!? "Brace for impact!" BOING Everyone goes flying! Hell the 1701 refit practically had seatbelts! They fell apart at the drop of a hat! There's a reason why the Enterprise was in the Smithsonian and not the Constitution, or the second Intrepid (Connie, Vulcans, Nom nom nom!). Death traps, all of them!

Still not the kind of interstellar death machine we were originally talking about.

Point is we adapt and evolve, or we get assimilated and replaced.

Too much coffee waiting for the server, which came back up an hour ago, so yeah, this has been fun.
Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 346
# 322
08-10-2012, 05:22 AM
So... you want an Escort with the Hull of a Cruiser? Yeah, that'll be balanced with regular paper Hull-Escorts.

Locking the Commander BOFF slot by Ship type is the best design decision Cryptic made in this game, it's the main rampart against STO becoming "Munchkins in Space Online".
Starfleet Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 961
# 323
08-10-2012, 05:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kimmera View Post
Holographic, yes (although they conveniently seem to ignore the obvious related social issues). Androids, not so much. Data was a one-of, and not replicated in Picard's time. Data tried but failed.
Actually, they don't ignore the social issues, at least not in the lore (before everything got folded into the Academy lore quests). The novel Needs of the Many, plus the STO lore available, note that The Doctor (and the Soong Foundation I believe) went to court after Starfleet tried to take away his mobile emitter, with the case evolving into a class-action suit in favor of all sentient synthetics (to use a Mass Effect term).

The court ruled in favor, and worked with scientists to come up with a bunch of tests to determine when a hologram or android has become sentient (and thus deserving rights).

As for Data and positronic androids, true, Data is unique (at least as far a "Soong-type" androids are concerned), but he came back when his memories implanted in B-4 were retriggered. Needs of the Many has a whole chapter dedicated to that event.
Starfleet Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,345
# 324
08-10-2012, 06:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by quiscustodiet View Post
So... you want an Escort with the Hull of a Cruiser?[...]".
Most certainly not. Try that reading comprehension thing again.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Promote what you love, instead of bashing what you hate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...lM_skuv4#t=584
Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 346
# 325
08-10-2012, 07:03 AM
Try that memory thing again, that's exactly what you asked for:

Quote:
Originally Posted by sophlogimo View Post

Commander Tactical
Lt. Com. Tactical

Lt. Engineer
Ens Engineer

Lt Science

Crew: 900
Hull hitpoints: 39,000
Shield modifier: 1.0
Impulse Modifier: 0.15
Turn rate: 7 degrees per second

Consoles: 4 Tactical, 3 Egineering, 2 Science
Device slots: 4

Weapons: 4 for, 4 aft

Ok, ok, you don't want an Escort with the Hull of a Cruiser.

You want an Escort with the Hull, Crew, Device slots and most importantly full 8 Weapon Slots of a Cruiser.


You can make up any blurb about how it's supposed to be a new thing, completely different, but the stats don't lie, you're asking for a best of both worlds Ship, in true munchkin fashion.
Starfleet Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,345
# 326
08-10-2012, 07:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by quiscustodiet View Post
Try that memory thing again, that's exactly what you asked for:
An escort is maneuverable. A battleship is not.

Quote:
Ok, ok, you don't want an Escort with the Hull of a Cruiser.
Correct.

Quote:
You want an Escort with the Hull, Crew, Device slots and most importantly full 8 Weapon Slots of a Cruiser.
You are forgetting the maneuverability part. I am told it is quite important. In fact, I can tell you from game experience that it is.

You seem to believe that it isn't. Then I ask you: Does this mean that tactical boff stations are superior to engineering boff stations? Because if it's not the maneuverability, what is what makes an escort on-par with the bigger ships?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Promote what you love, instead of bashing what you hate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...lM_skuv4#t=584
Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 346
# 327
08-10-2012, 07:26 AM
Heh, no point trying to hammer balance into a munchkin's mind. Your "idea" won't happen and any amusement you provided has worn off.
Starfleet Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,345
# 328
08-10-2012, 08:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by quiscustodiet View Post
Heh, no point trying to hammer balance into a munchkin's mind.[...]
So you indeed think that Tactical boff slots are worth more than engineering ones. Why so?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Promote what you love, instead of bashing what you hate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...lM_skuv4#t=584
Super Moderator
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 4,687
# 329
08-10-2012, 08:43 AM
I don't agree with the OP either, but can we agree to disagree without name-calling in public, please?
Volunteer Community Moderator for the Star Trek Online forums -- My views may not represent those of Cryptic Studios or Perfect World Entertainment. If you wish to speak to someone on the community team, file a "forums and website" support ticket here, as we are not able to respond to PMs regarding moderation inquiries.
Link: How to PM - Twitter @STOMod_Bluegeek
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 860
# 330
08-10-2012, 09:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by quiscustodiet View Post
Try that memory thing again, that's exactly what you asked for:




Ok, ok, you don't want an Escort with the Hull of a Cruiser.

You want an Escort with the Hull, Crew, Device slots and most importantly full 8 Weapon Slots of a Cruiser.


You can make up any blurb about how it's supposed to be a new thing, completely different, but the stats don't lie, you're asking for a best of both worlds Ship, in true munchkin fashion.
As for the full 8 slots, the D'kora already has those and can load cannons. with battlemode it is second closest.
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:52 PM.