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# 41
08-18-2012, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by cptskeeteruk View Post
Not sure why ppl say micro transaction in mmo's there is nothing micro about anything over a few quid and 2500 points for a ship is just overkill.
But what do you think is paying for the costs of F2P???
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# 42
08-18-2012, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by cptskeeteruk View Post
Not sure why ppl say micro transaction in mmo's there is nothing micro about anything over a few quid and 2500 points for a ship is just overkill.
I get a new ship for free every month, simply from playing 2-3 hours every day. Free is the most Micro you can get.

As I said above, somewhere, the price listed in the C-Store is assuming most people aren't playing full-price. Even a guy who only does 8,000 Dilithium per day is making around 1,200 Zen per month; meaning a $25.00 ship only costs them $13.00 - and if you can wait for 2 months to buy it only costs $1.00.
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# 43
08-18-2012, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by thecosmic1 View Post
As I have said many times, part of the reason for the cost of ships, and other items in the C-Store, is due to the fact that it's easy to earn Zen in the game. The average player, earning his 8,000 Dilithium per day can convert that to around $10.00 in Zen per month. That means the $25.00 ship really only costs $15.00 - and if you're a Gold member you get another $5.00 in Zen per month from that, which reduces the cost even further.

Between Stipend and playing I generally earn around 3,000 Zen per month - meaning I have no issues getting a new $20-$25.00 ship per month for free. In fact I have not purchased any Zen on this account in almost 7 months now and currently have over 15,000 Zen. So just by playing people are earning themselves C-Store discounts anywhere between 10% and 100%.
This is definitely an interesting perspective. I have to say I prefer when a Defiant cost 1200CP lol.
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# 44
08-18-2012, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by tobar26th View Post
This is definitely an interesting perspective. I have to say I prefer when a Defiant cost 1200CP lol.
The Defiant used to cost $15.00. Now it costs $20.00 and you have an in-game way of getting it for free - or, at least, less then $15.00 it used to cost.

If Dilithium were something difficult to get I could see where the problem is but, virtually, everything we do at VA earns us Dilithium: STFs, PvP, Dailies, Foundry Play, etc. You almost need to intentionally try to not make Dilithium to miss out on it.

I used to spend months grinding for Emblems and Marks just to get a free ship: back when you could buy a single-character unlock ship for 500 Emblems. I can now buy anything I want from the C-Store by doing the exact same thing I was doing prior to FTP. What can I say... I prefer the new system.
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# 45
08-19-2012, 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by nynik View Post
Another factor is that with the exception of fleet ships, all of the cstore ships are single purchase-account unlocks only. So they only ever get 25 dollars from you for that ship.

Imagine your local green grocer could only ever sell you one melon. Sure you could then claim another melon as a replacement when you ate the one you had before - but how does the green grocer stay in business?

They could probably sell them for cheaper each if they were single unlocks and they were assured that you had some reason to buy them again and again and again.
Considering it is a digital item rather than a physical item, a more correct analogy would be if you paid to download a song/video through iTunes.

If you delete the item or log into your iTunes account somewhere else, you can download the song/video again at no extra cost. Steam games also would be a good example of paying once and being able to access it again if something happens to the original.
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# 46
11-10-2012, 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by thecosmic1 View Post
As I have said many times, part of the reason for the cost of ships, and other items in the C-Store, is due to the fact that it's easy to earn Zen in the game. The average player, earning his 8,000 Dilithium per day can convert that to around $10.00 in Zen per month. That means the $25.00 ship really only costs $15.00 - and if you're a Gold member you get another $5.00 in Zen per month from that, which reduces the cost even further.

Between Stipend and playing I generally earn around 3,000 Zen per month - meaning I have no issues getting a new $20-$25.00 ship per month for free. In fact I have not purchased any Zen on this account in almost 7 months now and currently have over 15,000 Zen. So just by playing people are earning themselves C-Store discounts anywhere between 10% and 100%.
Wrong... if you have 8000 Dil... you will get like 50 Zen = $0,50 per day... so if you can make 8000 Dil/day... and a good ship is 2500 Zen... you will have to play 50 days, getting 8000 dil/day... To get it free...

And, if you can do $10/month... A 2500 Zen ship will cost 2 month of game play plus $5...

And dont get me wrong, just cuz you can get the Zen in the game, i dont think it is a free Zen... its a work/time Zen... I dont think the game need to change the ways we get Zen.... But i think 500 - 1000 Zen is the fair price for a Ship... Even if you can get it "for free" after play every day for a month...

I dont think its a fair price, cuz you cant even sell the ship in the game...

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# 47
11-10-2012, 12:26 AM
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# 48 One more thing...
11-10-2012, 01:08 AM
The fleet ship modules...

If im not wrong... they cost is 500 Zen/un... and you need 4 to get a ship... so its like give your Fleet Credits plus 2000 Zen($20)... They could just ask for 1 and sell for 2000 Zen, but it would look expensive lol, so they make it for 500 Zen and ask 4... good trick...

If i will give $20, i dont think i need to give any other thing to get my ship...

The 2500 Zen ships could have more then 1 or 2 weapon slots and one more console...

I think if you gonna pay $25 or play 2,5 months to get something, it have to be THE SOMETHING...

You have to think when you pay $25 for a ship, you are getting just a little better... as other people said there is not a big improvement in the C-store ships...

In the game "The Duel", i wanted an item that could make my sword a "light sword"... it was like $2,5... just like that...

In the game Shogun Total War 2... i wanted the "more blood and violence" improve... $1,5...

And what about the NPCs in fleet base selling things that cost Fleet Credits Plus 10.000Dil - 30.000 Dil....? What mad developer had that idea?

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