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Captain
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# 81
09-17-2012, 04:15 AM
So what do you think they should do deadsapcex64?
Rihannsu
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# 82
09-17-2012, 05:06 AM
What is all this talk about outdated technology here? Fission power generation? Huh? Next thing you propose is to run spaceship propulsion on on solar boilers?

More seriously, let's have a look at this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBjA5LLraX0
and this,
http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content...A-rep-1107.pdf
and this:
http://www.iscmns.org/work10/HagelsteinPdemonstra.pdf

and drop that ancient technology with acceptance problems that requires producing a very durable contact poison.
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# 83
09-17-2012, 05:50 AM
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just to note, it wasn't the quake that caused the meltdown, it was the tidal wave killing the diesel generators that were supposed to supply power to the coolant pumps in case of emergency. they kicked on and performed their function until the wave hit flooding them out. related...in the typical over-reaction of late, japan is planning on phasing out all nuclear plants and not building anymore.

instead relying on imported coal, oil, and natural gas...yay...more CO2.

further related note, europes recent cave-in to the nut jobs has caused russia to plan construction of several nuclear plants with the obvious intention of selling power to the EU. that sounds like a great plan >.> EU decommisions and plans only a few more plants because they want to switch back to 'safer' fossil fuels...but will be buying power from russia's excess of new plants.

why doesn't this forum have a /double facepalm emote...
I know... Politicians always make me feel like that...

Anyways, a new type of safer reactor has been desgined, guess why it isn't used yet? Because it has a side effect of producing small amounts of plutonium. However... under normal rector operation those traces would never leave the reactor core. I forget the name but the design is unique in that it can use almost any radioactive material. This reactor wouldn't need people to purify uranium, the material simply needs to be concentrated enough to produce radiation.
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# 84
09-17-2012, 06:22 AM
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So what do you think they should do deadsapcex64?
switch to safer reactor types if you're referring to all the planned decommissioning and no new construction. there are alternatives they're just more expensive to build than the inherently unsafe versions. invest heavily in solar generation, cover ever roof in the EU or japan with cheap poly solar film... there's even a paintable version in the works.

corporations though don't like any of those technologies (except for safer plants...those they can kind of get behind) for the same reasons they're not fond of lenr, it takes power generation out of their control.

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What is all this talk about outdated technology here? Fission power generation? Huh? Next thing you propose is to run spaceship propulsion on on solar boilers?

More seriously, let's have a look at this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBjA5LLraX0
and this,
http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content...A-rep-1107.pdf
and this:
http://www.iscmns.org/work10/HagelsteinPdemonstra.pdf

and drop that ancient technology with acceptance problems that requires producing a very durable contact poison.
if you'd read this whole topic you'd have discovered we discussed LENR quite a bit. as well as other technologies. contact poison? very few high (like none but i'll err on the side of caution) power generation techniques involving radioactive elements are safe once containment is breached...go fig. and fission generation through RTG's and the like are a tried and tested technologies, while LENR still has issues that need to be solved as well as further testing for stability and overall lifetime of the unit(s).

LENR has potential...but that's all it has atm. and one thing it really needs to get rid of is that cold fusion tag it's associated with....causes many believers in the current theories to see red as soon as those two words come up together followed by shouts of 'impossible!' etc.
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# 85
09-17-2012, 03:16 PM
out of all the power generations we have which will be the best to use overall and which do you all think will be the best to use for space travel? Ever since the Dragon capsule launched a new space race has began.
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# 86
09-17-2012, 03:51 PM
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switch to safer reactor types if you're referring to all the planned decommissioning and no new construction. there are alternatives they're just more expensive to build than the inherently unsafe versions. invest heavily in solar generation, cover ever roof in the EU or japan with cheap poly solar film... there's even a paintable version in the works.

corporations though don't like any of those technologies (except for safer plants...those they can kind of get behind) for the same reasons they're not fond of lenr, it takes power generation out of their control.
Too true, and since money talks, corporations con governments into supporting outdated technology.
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out of all the power generations we have which will be the best to use overall and which do you all think will be the best to use for space travel? Ever since the Dragon capsule launched a new space race has began.
It's too early to tell. The new techs are still not finished.
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# 87
09-17-2012, 11:55 PM
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contact poison? very few high (like none but i'll err on the side of caution) power generation techniques involving radioactive elements are safe once containment is breached...go fig. and fission generation through RTG's and the like are a tried and tested technologies, while LENR still has issues that need to be solved as well as further testing for stability and overall lifetime of the unit(s).

LENR has potential...but that's all it has atm. and one thing it really needs to get rid of is that cold fusion tag it's associated with....causes many believers in the current theories to see red as soon as those two words come up together followed by shouts of 'impossible!' etc.
Any space project planned now will launch in five years or more. Not taking LENR into account for that, in favor of nuclear fission technologies, would be irresponsible.
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# 88
09-18-2012, 01:36 PM
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Too true, and since money talks, corporations con governments into supporting outdated technology.It's too early to tell. The new techs are still not finished.
Okay its to early to tell but which one do you all think also there is another thread on here saying now a German company is asking for one way tickets to Mars for colonising! I would love to go but not sure about the one way also if they have perfected/improved the tech being used.
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# 89
09-18-2012, 03:54 PM
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Okay its to early to tell but which one do you all think also there is another thread on here saying now a German company is asking for one way tickets to Mars for colonising! I would love to go but not sure about the one way also if they have perfected/improved the tech being used.

a one-way ticket to mars? o.O

with you on that, have to see the plans for colonization and the tech before i'd even consider it. though lag from mars to earth would be horrible, so no more mmo's at least earth based ones. personally think a lot would have to be done before hand for a permanent presence on mars.

power generation, atmosphere generation, some way to get a steady supply of water, hydroponics, communication arrays, medical facilities and equipment. all that without considering living space yet or where.

underground being the best option
protection from radiation and other hazards vs surface structures
expansion can continue with fewer hazards than construction on the surface
less building materials required

always though for any type of moon base that would be ideal as well...while shiny domes/surface habitats look all pretty and sci-fi, they are rather impractical, even for hydroponics...you don't actually need real sunlight, reactor or alternative power generation can supply the power for artificial methods of producing the light plants need and humans for that matter (Vit D conversion)

only real negative to subsurface is creating the tunnels and rooms. initially expensive, and requires equipment. robots could be sent ahead though and start the digging. with finishing touches put on with the arrival of humans. air locks and bulkheads. though...fusing the raw walls into a glass as a second pass after initial tunnel...meh, lots of methods, and this is getting into wall-o-text territory.
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# 90
09-18-2012, 05:28 PM
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a one-way ticket to mars? o.O

with you on that, have to see the plans for colonization and the tech before i'd even consider it. though lag from mars to earth would be horrible, so no more mmo's at least earth based ones. personally think a lot would have to be done before hand for a permanent presence on mars.

power generation, atmosphere generation, some way to get a steady supply of water, hydroponics, communication arrays, medical facilities and equipment. all that without considering living space yet or where.

underground being the best option
protection from radiation and other hazards vs surface structures
expansion can continue with fewer hazards than construction on the surface
less building materials required

always though for any type of moon base that would be ideal as well...while shiny domes/surface habitats look all pretty and sci-fi, they are rather impractical, even for hydroponics...you don't actually need real sunlight, reactor or alternative power generation can supply the power for artificial methods of producing the light plants need and humans for that matter (Vit D conversion)

only real negative to subsurface is creating the tunnels and rooms. initially expensive, and requires equipment. robots could be sent ahead though and start the digging. with finishing touches put on with the arrival of humans. air locks and bulkheads. though...fusing the raw walls into a glass as a second pass after initial tunnel...meh, lots of methods, and this is getting into wall-o-text territory.
lol, all true im sure the best minds are thinking of this as well. You know the old saying, great minds think alike. I wonder though what propulsion would they use to get there?, maybe hinting at VASIMR there .
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