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# 21 reply
08-07-2012, 10:49 PM
as i said in earlier post the one i liked best is the one they call the blocaderunner now the dervish class but currently i use an armitage and here is how i got it loaded
front weapons 1 quad cannon a mr12borg ap dbb , a mrk 12 borg ap dhc a mark 12 borg quantum torpedo launcher rear weapons 2 mrk12 ap turrets and a mrk 12 borg quantum torpedo launcher consoles tactical 4 m11 blue ap consoles engineering two blue mark 11 rcs consoles other enginerring consoles i swap armor consoles as needed, science conloes the thunderchild point defense system and the armitage photon point defense system. the ship device slots i have a red matter capacitor and either a platform of some sort or peririne reinforcements or fleet spinal lance for base defense missions and batteries when i am out of other. the hanger i switch out different blue quality perigrine fighters , danube runabouts or delta flyers, the repair pets just dont seem to repair enough to justify using them.
the 2 rcs consoles give her extraordinary agility even through she is cruiser size which is important while using quad cannons withe their very small field of fire and yes they are now worth the purchase price since the latest buff they got. i like to launch danubes and while they holding prey open up with crf3 or bo3 and torpedo spread 2 then pop the torpedo console and that usually is it for that guy and his closet buddies are usually dispatched with csv 2 and another torpedo spread either 1 or 2 and poping the other point defense module.
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# 22
08-08-2012, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by proteus22 View Post
as i said in earlier post the one i liked best is the one they call the blocaderunner now the dervish class but currently i use an armitage and here is how i got it loaded
front weapons 1 quad cannon a mr12borg ap dbb , a mrk 12 borg ap dhc a mark 12 borg quantum torpedo launcher rear weapons 2 mrk12 ap turrets and a mrk 12 borg quantum torpedo launcher consoles tactical 4 m11 blue ap consoles engineering two blue mark 11 rcs consoles other enginerring consoles i swap armor consoles as needed, science conloes the thunderchild point defense system and the armitage photon point defense system. the ship device slots i have a red matter capacitor and either a platform of some sort or peririne reinforcements or fleet spinal lance for base defense missions and batteries when i am out of other. the hanger i switch out different blue quality perigrine fighters , danube runabouts or delta flyers, the repair pets just dont seem to repair enough to justify using them.
the 2 rcs consoles give her extraordinary agility even through she is cruiser size which is important while using quad cannons withe their very small field of fire and yes they are now worth the purchase price since the latest buff they got. i like to launch danubes and while they holding prey open up with crf3 or bo3 and torpedo spread 2 then pop the torpedo console and that usually is it for that guy and his closet buddies are usually dispatched with csv 2 and another torpedo spread either 1 or 2 and poping the other point defense module.
It is NOT called a blockade runner, blockade escort, or anything like it. It is called a PATROL escort. Why do people constantly get this wrong?
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# 23
08-08-2012, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by jkstocbr View Post
I have a Jem'Hadar Bug, but I enjoy my Tactical Escort Retrofit much more. Looking forward to the Fleet version for the extra Tac console.
Ditto, ditto, ditto!

Honestly though, the Jem'Hadar ship is the best escort - that's a fact...You only have to compare its stats to see that...Ok, that's enough rhyming.

But I still fly my Defiant regularly, it's too much fun!

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# 24
08-08-2012, 07:08 AM
So to answer the original question: lockbox ships aren't real, so I'm not gonna consider that trash: The Patrol Escort is the epitome (outside of fleet ships) of standard escort layout. It also has the benefit of being free! The HEC could be considered, the hangar bay sort of makes up for the stupid tac Boff layout, but it also costs money.

If you consider Fleet ships, your three options are the HEC again, for the same reasons, the Patrol escort again, for the same reasons, but then the Fleet Defiant jumps up as a contender because of the 5x tac console slots. That's all folks!
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# 25
08-08-2012, 08:12 AM
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So to answer the original question: lockbox ships aren't real, so I'm not gonna consider that trash: The Patrol Escort is the epitome (outside of fleet ships) of standard escort layout. It also has the benefit of being free! The HEC could be considered, the hangar bay sort of makes up for the stupid tac Boff layout, but it also costs money.

If you consider Fleet ships, your three options are the HEC again, for the same reasons, the Patrol escort again, for the same reasons, but then the Fleet Defiant jumps up as a contender because of the 5x tac console slots. That's all folks!
if you favour the patrol escort so much over the other escorts, you should also consider the AE, the sci ensign slot is just as usefull as the engi ensign slot on the patrol escort. in my opinion they are both at the same level, but that level is well below the z-store escorts.
And the defiant takes a special place, since it has a cloak.

even if you disregard lockbox ships, which i think you are right to do so, because they are hard to get, the bug ship remains the best escort when comparing only stats.
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# 26
08-08-2012, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by atrus19 View Post
It is NOT called a blockade runner, blockade escort, or anything like it. It is called a PATROL escort. Why do people constantly get this wrong?
Go look at what the original RA Fleet Escort is called now in the requisition screen. It may be incorrect but it's still what is there.

I am a very big fan of the Patrol Escort myself, regular and fleet. It's no JH Bug and it lacks the lol-decloak-BO3/1 of the Defiant-R, but it's still rather effective and can take quite a beating for an escort.

The JH Bug is pretty much the best if you don't want to cloak, though.
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# 27
08-08-2012, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by zekesulastin View Post
Go look at what the original RA Fleet Escort is called now in the requisition screen. It may be incorrect but it's still what is there.

I am a very big fan of the Patrol Escort myself, regular and fleet. It's no JH Bug and it lacks the lol-decloak-BO3/1 of the Defiant-R, but it's still rather effective and can take quite a beating for an escort.

The JH Bug is pretty much the best if you don't want to cloak, though.
Really? They haven't fixed that yet? Bah, cryptic.

And I get from your and the previous persons mention of the cloak that you are talking PvP. I don't PvP. In terms of the best escort in the game for...the game (which excludes pvp, as it is terrible and broken and the devs will probably remove it entirely soon enough), I firmly believe it is the Fleet Escort. I acknowledge that the RA Advanced also has the advantageous tac boff slots, but I believe the lt. cmdr. engi slot to be infinitely more powerful than the lt. cmdr. sci slot. On an escort, you are not going to be running high aux, and you really aren't going to put much into sci skills aside from shield skills, so a lt. cmdr sci slot doesnt really do much for you, if you want more tankiness a lt. cmdr engie slot is infinitely superior, opening up a myriad of options in that regard. I don't consider the defiant because of its 50 crew and lower tankiness, and, more importantly, it has that extra ensign tac boff which is utterly useless. The cloak, again, good for PvP, not so much for PvE. So, in sum, outside of fleet ships, Patrol Escort is the king of PvE escorts! (again, the HEC is a REALLY close second with that hangar, but it has the crappy tac boff layout and it costs money, sooooo....)
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# 28
08-08-2012, 11:39 AM
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Really? They haven't fixed that yet? Bah, cryptic.
I don't consider the defiant because of its 50 crew and lower tankiness, and, more importantly, it has that extra ensign tac boff which is utterly useless.
Sorry but the extra tac slot is useless only if don't have a weapon loadout that permit to use it. For instance put a torpedo or a Dual beam upt front and it isn't useless anymore. You make it useless if you don't want to put anything but Dual Cannons up front.

The fleet defiant will have an extra Tactical console but it will also have 3k more hull, something everyone seems to forget. More tanky and dangerous than before and if you want to use the cloak you don't have to sacrifice anything that the original Defiant retrofit has without it.
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# 29
08-08-2012, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by innuwarrior View Post
Sorry but the extra tac slot is useless only if don't have a weapon loadout that permit to use it. For instance put a torpedo or a Dual beam upt front and it isn't useless anymore. You make it useless if you don't want to put anything but Dual Cannons up front.

The fleet defiant will have an extra Tactical console but it will also have 3k more hull, something everyone seems to forget. More tanky and dangerous than before and if you want to use the cloak you don't have to sacrifice anything that the original Defiant retrofit has without it.
And the highest DPS build right now is pure DHCs, but that aside, even using a single torp or DBB, there is a wasted tac slot unless I use BOTH a DBB and a torp...which is just bad.

Also you will notice I mentioned the 5x tac slot defiant, but I also said my assessment of the patrol escort was OUTSIDE OF fleet ships.
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# 30
08-08-2012, 05:53 PM
I very much favor the Defiant Retrofit, for many reasons including aesthetics. I however for a long time was using the Advanced Escort in it's place in STFs.

A the very least I don't use the cloak in STF's.

I have the Armitage but haven't used that yet for STFs as I am apprehensive about controlling my pets. I don't want to be 'that guy'.

I may pick up the MV and slap the console in the Advanced, but with so many toons I think I just want to focus on one ship per captain for now, and if I had to choose one ship, it would definately be the Tactical Escort Retrofit, at least until I can get my Andorian hands on the Fleet upgrade.

I just picked up a jump console to play with as well.

I do love the four nacelle look of the advanced escort, especially the Phoenix.

I think the Fleet Patrol Escort looks promising with the universal ensign. But for me as I have the Advanced, Tactical Retrofit, and Escort Carrier, I am already covered as far as Boff setups.

But just to say it one last time, if I had to pick one ship it would be the Tactical Escort Retrofit.

( I do plan to level up a Joined Trill Escort Engineer Captain to pilot an Armitage in the near future )

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