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# 11
08-10-2012, 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by flickerstat View Post
And not just builds... I am talking about understanding the systems and how items and powers interact with eachother.
A few tips:
- expect the level of your opponents to skyrocket at level 50
- trying to understand the math is one of the great STO sports! After every patch there is a chance some math got thrown off balance, and repeating a test of a skill is always interresting. So far, the pvp players appear to have a better grasp of sto math than the devs have!
- experience-experience-experience
- learn to love getting defeated
- learn to find out how you were defeated
- learn to accept being roflstomped by premades...
- always keep an open mind, never hold anything to be true. Last months dung can be flowers this month! (or maggots)


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Originally Posted by mewi View Post
Personally I prefer back and forward buttons on the throttle, very handy and you don't have to occupy your index click/middle finger with another button ;p
Yes. I've been running mousebutton 4-5 forever for speed changes. Works great! (and the same buttons for strafing on ground... I'll be at a loss if we ever get latteral thrusters...)
Career Officer
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# 12
08-10-2012, 03:07 AM
you could alwasy join the Sad Panda Cubs channel it was created for new pvper's??????
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# 13
08-10-2012, 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by the4monkeys View Post
you could alwasy join the Sad Panda Cubs channel it was created for new pvper's??????
Euuu, Join OrganizedPVP instead. Sad Panda Cubs channel has bad advice and is deader than a dead panda.

Most of the pvp community rarely looks at the Cubs channel unfortunately so new and experienced info rarely shows up.

Aytanhi of TSI, TSI fleet founder and leader OrganizedPVP channel Admin
Feel free to ask me about PVP or starship strategies. "No, I am not Borg!"
/channel_join OrganizedPVP If you are interested in learning PVP, looking for a team, or a private match

Last edited by aytanhi; 08-10-2012 at 03:26 AM.
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# 14
08-10-2012, 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by the4monkeys View Post
you could alwasy join the Sad Panda Cubs channel it was created for new pvper's??????
Nah, you want OPVP, it's got a much bigger volume of people and it's impratial. I spent a few days watching the Panda Cub channel and it was dead. OPVP gives you a network of people that know what they're talking about AND take everything with a pinch of salt. Everyone in it knows what it feels like to win, but also how it feels to get roflstomped too.
Ensign
Join Date: Jul 2012
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# 15
08-10-2012, 01:13 PM
Yes yes good! I feel the knowledge rising.

Pretty excited how cool everyone is on the PVP side of the forums. I think I'll be here for quite a while.

But yea, correct me if this plan doesn't sound good:

-Start queuing for PVP everytime I play
-Get basic equations down (we'll start with getting DPS numbers based on upgraded skills)
-Continue to read the forums for the latest consoles and weapons in use
-Copy at least one beam boat build to test out (I enjoy being a glass cannon but always enjoy being a support character)
-Continue researching all abbreviations and terminology
-Level up through Mirror and story missions

Simple enough for starters. Thanks, all the pvpeople!
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# 16
08-10-2012, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by flickerstat View Post
But yea, correct me if this plan doesn't sound good
Sounds good, just want to add one thing:
- Learn how to make keybinds!

It is essential in pvp too free up as much of your attention as possible. You need it for your situational awareness. This means that any and all abilities that should be spammed ought to be activated by one key. Then you spam this key all the time. This is especially important for new players, so bind as much as possible; and then, as you get better control, you can start micromanaging.

Example of keybind, to be entered in chat window:
/bind 4 "+power_exec Distribute_Shields$$+trayexec 2 3$$+trayexec 2 4$$+trayexec 2 5$$+trayexec 2 6$$+trayexec 2 7$$+trayexec 2 8$$+trayexec 2 9"

This is a fairly large bind, that ties the following to your [4] key:
- Distribute shields
- Skill tray row 3, buttons 4-10

Then on row 3, buttons 4-10, you place your spammables. EPtoS, 2xTT, HYT, CRF and so on.
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# 17
08-10-2012, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by dassemsto View Post
Sounds good, just want to add one thing:
- Learn how to make keybinds!

It is essential in pvp too free up as much of your attention as possible. You need it for your situational awareness. This means that any and all abilities that should be spammed ought to be activated by one key. Then you spam this key all the time. This is especially important for new players, so bind as much as possible; and then, as you get better control, you can start micromanaging.

Example of keybind, to be entered in chat window:
/bind 4 "+power_exec Distribute_Shields$$+trayexec 2 3$$+trayexec 2 4$$+trayexec 2 5$$+trayexec 2 6$$+trayexec 2 7$$+trayexec 2 8$$+trayexec 2 9"

This is a fairly large bind, that ties the following to your [4] key:
- Distribute shields
- Skill tray row 3, buttons 4-10

Then on row 3, buttons 4-10, you place your spammables. EPtoS, 2xTT, HYT, CRF and so on.

Bah you don't need complex keybinds. Especially in a game that has the reflex requirement of a brain dead sloth. The CDs in this game are LOOONG. All you need is efficient key placement for your bridge officer and captain skills.

Anytime everyone says "you need bind" I scoff abit inside. Cause I'm pure Manual Control. Practice, with skills on alternate placements. Instead of putting say apa on 1, put it on Q. Or Put Cannon Rapid Fire there. That way your hands never leave WASD. Which leaves your hand centered.


Binding leads to lazyness, which really hurts when people throw off your standard game plan. Just spamming the keys that have multi binds to them will not get you out of a tight spot, since it leaves you running the same old plan. Regardless of circumstance.

What do you people do when you play street fighter for cripes sake? Faceroll the controller and hope you get a combo?

Here I'll fetch a link to a post Mavairo made called Row Through.

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...91&postcount=7
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# 18
08-10-2012, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ghostyandfrosty View Post
Binding leads to lazyness, which really hurts when people throw off your standard game plan. Just spamming the keys that have multi binds to them will not get you out of a tight spot, since it leaves you running the same old plan. Regardless of circumstance.
But there are lots of abilities wich will cost you nothing to bind, that should be fired as soon as they're off CD. Like your 2 copies of EPtoS and TT, and distribute. I'm not suggesting you throw TB, GW or SNB into the bind :p

And you can not have too much time for situational awareness. Following the buffs of your teammates and targets etc. There is more data to take in there for 10 people. One person can only pick up a small portion of it, and every split second he uses to check his own CDs is am opportunity lost to check someone elses buffs.
Lieutenant
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# 19
08-10-2012, 02:16 PM
+1 for binds, at the very least you can bind emergency power abilities, weapons and shield redistribution to 1 key.

Also, trying to get the correct sequence of cycling 4 emp skills (such as 2 empts and 2 emptw) is nigh on impossible without binds, you'd have to literally do nothing but click the powers precisely every 15s while in combat.
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# 20
08-10-2012, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by dassemsto View Post
But there are lots of abilities wich will cost you nothing to bind, that should be fired as soon as they're off CD. Like your 2 copies of EPtoS and TT, and distribute. I'm not suggesting you throw TB, GW or SNB into the bind :p

And you can not have too much time for situational awareness. Following the buffs of your teammates and targets etc. There is more data to take in there for 10 people. One person can only pick up a small portion of it, and every split second he uses to check his own CDs is am opportunity lost to check someone elses buffs.
This is why you memorize CDs if you are that paranoid about it.

Binding EPTS is also not as good of an idea as you might think since ability activation is still randomized, it Tends to activate left to right, in the sequence but it is not guaranteed. This isn't RIFT where you type things out in the order that you need em to fire off and then they do. This is STO developed by the LOLCryptic, where they can't even get FAW to work right 2+ years into the game, let alone their UI.

TT definitely shouldn't be on the bind, as there is a distinct Five Second Gap in Coverages. That's not good, that five second gap is often all it takes to pierce someone's defenses and rip them to pieces. There are also other times when you most definitely need to be throwing Tac Team to your allies rather than yourself, to keep them from dying.

Situation awareness is something you need to work on, regardless. SA is what keeps you from dying, and being able to determine what buffs to ramp up and who to give them to when the crunch is on.

For example lets say you bound all your buffs offense and defense (lets say TT, EPTS, CRF3, and 2) all to your space bar. Along with for craps and giggles Distribute Shields.

Your jamming away at a target, keeping yourself relatively protected minus that heinous five second gap (and it WILL come up with mere EPTS1 going.. That is so not what you want to have happen) and your buddy gets Sub Nuked. He needs a Tac Team. Everyone else has already burned theirs. And yours just fired off cause you smashed space bar at least one time too many.

Your buddy, naturally dies. Horribly.

Now lets try another situation, that is almost as bad. EPTS, activates in random order that first time. And then again, at any point where you stop smashing whatever key you have bound them too. You are coming into a heavy firefight. EPTS1 and 2 are both off CD. (and this does happen regularly in pvp, particularly when all available targets are dead. or at the start of a fight) Your EPTS1 is the one that activates. The Raptor, or Defiant off your port bow decloaks, and Bo3s you right through your mere EPTS1 power boost and it's resistance, and Tac team like a hot knife through butter. You instantly lose half your hull or worse Die.

Vs, having it on full on manual control. You rotate out EPTS1 as soon as you guys come into the combat zone. Doing the full impulse not full impulse routine, by the time you know your enemy is into position, your EPTS2 is ready to go, your static power bonuses are also near their respective highs. You wait for the sound of the decloak, immediately EPTS2 and TT springs up because like a smart person you've got em bound to a key nearest to your left fingers. You jam hard to the right or left, getting the maimed facing off before the worst of it can finish, TSS2 or 1 gets fired off, you swing back around and you live.



Not being able to control, which EPTS you have up at any point in time can be very problematic. Sometimes you want 1 going, just to keep power levels up, and a decent resist. Othertimes, you know you need that big one in the bag.

Now, ghosty you say "I could just fire off EPTS2 and not my space bar" (or whatever you bound epts to) Okay, lets say you do this. Now you are juggling between your Bind and Manual. This leads to more room for errors.

Also, with Complex Binds your enemy can and eventually will Read You, based on your smashing of binds. They fire off in the same sequence, over and over and over again. You can set a stop watch, or a complex timer (such as Wifeaggro) to time when your defenses will be at their lowest, as well as project between Tac Team gaps. They can also do this then with your DPS. You are essentially an NPC that flies better and does more damage.

Not only this, but Distribute shields gets Really Error Prone when bound to a space bar. It gets lost in the translation which gives your shield tanking even more gaps that are exploitable.

I routinely cycle through my entire teams buffs, and enemies buffs during a fight. I know 60 to 70 percent of the time, on my own when the Bad Stuff Is coming, or when the enemy defenses are going to be raised. The other percentages of the time my team mates can cover for me.

For my own buffs 90 percent of the time I know what is on CD, long before I even use the ability, I don't even look at my tray to see what is ready anymore. I know when my next major damage cycles are going ot be ready, and I can still adjust them on the fly in real time.

Now about the above with 2x EPTX skills. What exactly do you do with your CRFs and overloads? Just let them collect dust 15 second at a time? Also, you don't need 4 eptX skills. 3 is more than enough at this point to do the job admirably. freeing up an Ens, or Lt Spot easy for more heals, or more damage.

This is all stuff that a complex bind will not teach you in this game.

Now if this were RIFT, which has a true global cooldown system, and a myriad of very short cooldowns, and combo abilities, I would be championing the ingame macro system like you would not believe (particularly for Warriors), in RIFT, I use 7 different Macros and 4 independent abilities. I have enough macros to change for changing battlefield conditions and to 1-2 punch someone with combo abilities at the same time. This game on the other hand? is more than slow enough for you to be able to full on manual control it.

Last edited by ghostyandfrosty; 08-10-2012 at 02:30 PM.
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