Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
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Heya Klink peeps!

I currently fly the Orion Pig Carrier (flight deck cruiser) and I love it. It's fugly and tons of fun with advanced slavers. However, I was thinking about getting into a dedicated carrier. I have aTholian Recluse I haven't opened yet because I'd like some opinions and thoughts about all of the endgame carriers available to the klinks. Which one is best? Why?
Lieutenant
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 48
# 2
08-19-2012, 11:01 PM
I don't know about the tholian one, but the Kar'Fi is a tactical attack carrier, and can deal a lot of dmg via cannons (has the base turn rate to support them) and advanced frigates.

The Vo'Quv is support, either team, fleet, or pets, and can tank often better than a cruiser.

I use the Vo'Quv with advance bops with my sci captain, as well as the Kar'Fi with advance frigates and S'Kul fighters.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 3
08-20-2012, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by badname834854 View Post
Heya Klink peeps!

I currently fly the Orion Pig Carrier (flight deck cruiser) and I love it. It's fugly and tons of fun with advanced slavers. However, I was thinking about getting into a dedicated carrier. I have aTholian Recluse I haven't opened yet because I'd like some opinions and thoughts about all of the endgame carriers available to the klinks. Which one is best? Why?
VoQuv is the best carrier and it is free (well at rank 40 if you get it).


The Recluse is a good ship and has better boff stations than the VoQuv but its pet choice is lacking. VoQuv has the bird of prey which can do serious heavy damage against large targets (structures, boss ships, etc) but is not as effective vs smaller, mobile targets. For those you have the todujs/slavers.

As a SHIP the recluse is better. As a CARRIER the VoQuv is significantly better.

Also, VoQuv can be set up as a monster tank or as a very versatile support/damage support ship.


...and its free if you reaching level 40.
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Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 4
08-20-2012, 12:02 PM
the tholian carrier is a fortress with firepower.

KHG shild + shild consoles+4xarmor plates= a 60kHP 23k Shild monster , put a tak into the free slot and it gets great firepower, i hope that is a usefull answer for you.

in game dont have meet anythink what can kill it.

the VoQuv is a big joke against it!!!!
the karfi have little bit more firepower but the prob is it dies faster lower shilds lower hull and only can carry 2 armors.

so its worth to use it karfi little bit more dps but tholian carrier slower but undefeatable.

Last edited by lostmoony; 08-20-2012 at 12:11 PM.
Lieutenant
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# 5
08-20-2012, 04:52 PM
I'm an engineer is a Kar'Fi attack carrier. It is freaking fantastic. More nimble than the other carriers, very nice weapon loadout, great crowd-control abilities, and I really like the Advanced Frigates you can get. My captain's engineer abilities keep it flying much longer as well. With a tactical captain, they feel a bit more fragile. With an Eng captain, it's a beast!
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# 6
08-20-2012, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by lostmoony View Post
the tholian carrier is a fortress with firepower.

KHG shild + shild consoles+4xarmor plates= a 60kHP 23k Shild monster , put a tak into the free slot and it gets great firepower, i hope that is a usefull answer for you.

in game dont have meet anythink what can kill it.

the VoQuv is a big joke against it!!!!
the karfi have little bit more firepower but the prob is it dies faster lower shilds lower hull and only can carry 2 armors.

so its worth to use it karfi little bit more dps but tholian carrier slower but undefeatable.
The Vo'Quv is anything but a joke. The Vo'Quv has been the centerpiece of KDF PVP since STO came out. The presence of the ever tough, flexible Vo'Quv has provided a strong presence of stability for KDF PVP since Day 1.

And it still is, even after the introduction of the Kar'Fi and the neutral Tholian carrier.

Now, onto the OP's question. Here's my Pro's and Con's of the 2 KDF Carriers.

Kar'Fi
PRO
+ More total weapon slots than Vo'Quv.
+ 7 turn rate vs Vo'Quv's 5. Better possibilities for the ship as a weapons platform to do good pew-pew.
+ Alot more TAC BOFF slots than the Vo'Quv (LtCmdr, Lt)
+ 3 TAC Console slots vs Vo'Quv's 2.
+ In addition to TAC Console numbers, still sports strong 4 SCI Console slots.
+ Access to Adv.Far'jai Frigates. Powerful, nasty stuff, but long hangar cooldowns.
CON
- Weaker hull (roughly 34k) than Vo'Quv (roughly 42k).
- Gives up an Eng Console for Tac Console.
- Gives up some Eng & Sci BOFF slots for stronger Tac BOFF slots.
- 3 device slots vs Vo'Quv 4.
- I have only seen the console that comes with the Kar'Fi actually used in PVP only once during my time in that activity as a Fed or KDF player. Should say alot about its usefulness and / or effectiveness.

Vo'Quv
PRO
+ Strong and balanced BOFF slots capable of letting you do alot: SCI Lt & Cmdr, and LtCmdr TAC & ENG slots.
+ Console slots support durability and strong sci capabilities. 4 SCI, 3 ENG.
+ 42k hull, strong shielding, good ENG BOFF slots, good ENG Console slots equate to a very durable ship. As I mentioned earlier in the post, the Vo'Quv has been the tough center of KDF PVP teams since STO went live and people started rolling out the ship.
+ 4 Device Slots vs Kar'Fi 3.
CON
- Horrible turn rate of 5.
- 6 weapon slots compared to Kar'Fi 7.
- Weaker TAC Console numbers compared to Kar'Fi.

In short, the Vo'Quv is a more well rounded Carrier. Very robust. The Kar'Fi is capable of making its weapons be a better factor on top of what its hangars produce than the Vo'Quv. The turn rate makes this even easier. But the Kar'Fi is also quite a bit more fragile. In PVP, expect to be targetted alot since any half-decent PVPer will know that fact. In a Vo'Quv, I've often been left alone after initial barrages from the enemy testing me to see how well I hold up. They often give up when they see my Vo'Quv isn't a pushover for an easy kill and likely move onto someone else. If they keep trying on me, I'd like to believe it opens them up more for my team's own damage dealers.

Either route you go, understand your hangars are your primary weapons. Keep a bunch of different hangar pets in your inventory. While in a lull in combat, you can switch them out to adapt to what's going on in the match. Also, with ship systems, your Aux Power level affects your hangar recharge rate.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Aug 2012
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# 7
08-21-2012, 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by badname834854 View Post
Heya Klink peeps!

I currently fly the Orion Pig Carrier (flight deck cruiser) and I love it. It's fugly and tons of fun with advanced slavers. However, I was thinking about getting into a dedicated carrier. I have aTholian Recluse I haven't opened yet because I'd like some opinions and thoughts about all of the endgame carriers available to the klinks. Which one is best? Why?

You dont have many choice on this matter.

Its karfi or vov qu.

Karfi does more dmg but it may luck survival and vovqu lacks dmg but it can be more tough than karfi.

Its ur call i bought both and i kept karfi only cause its better if u ask me than vovq

what we rly need is an escort carrier just like the federation one
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 8
08-21-2012, 07:24 AM
Here's a few peeks at the ships.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD22NNM1Cjw&feature=plcp Vo'quv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBo6o1l501g&feature=plcp Marauder, a different take on the ship

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBRGjfO1_Bg&feature=plcp Karfi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCW7qxenWt4&feature=plcp Recluse

I know you already fly a pig, but maybe someone reads this thread and doesn't have one and wants a look.

In PVE, you can make any of them dance if you want to. Not a terribly hard thing to do.

Do you have fun using abilities like CRF and CSV? Get a Karfi.

Do you have fun using abilities like subsystem targeting? Get a Space Cow.

Any of them are effective at end game.
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Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 359
# 9
08-21-2012, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by warmaker001b View Post

Now, onto the OP's question. Here's my Pro's and Con's of the 2 KDF Carriers.

Kar'Fi
PRO
....
CON
....
PRO
.
the OP question is about the THOLIAN carrier not if you like the Vo'Quv and the answer on that is like it is if you compare them.


karfi great ship

tholian good ship

Vo'Quv crap its like a low budget version of tholian carrier
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# 10
08-21-2012, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by badname834854 View Post
I'd like some opinions and thoughts about all of the endgame carriers available to the klinks. Which one is best? Why?
Kar'fi for the firepower with science.

VoQ for the tank and support.

Tholian if you want a mixture of both, depending on how you build it.
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