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# 121
08-25-2012, 04:04 PM
If you win because you are a stronger and more muscular athlete (Mk XII weapons) nobody criticize you, but if you take performance-enhancing drugs (the Bug)...

And well, Travelingmaster...I add you to the list of the best of the best...
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# 122
08-25-2012, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ghostyandfrosty View Post
Gear can be overcome. A ship having flat out better shield modifiers, agility, impulse speed pivot point, and console slots not so much, if both pilots are equal.

The difference between X and XII while it is noticeable is far from insurmountable. Their dps out puts, crit ranges, weapon properties are all still relatively comparable.

The bug on the other hand, is so vastly superior that there is literally no flight moves, you can pull on a bug that he can't simply counter, his time on target unless he's Trash will be superior to your own, and his ships superior durability and twin universals gives him far more tactical options than you have in any other given ship.

The only ship that stands a chance at getting a Draw is an mvam in a duel with a bug. And that's if he has 3 field generators cranking and Beta Command. Then if the mvam dies, he's flat out out classed in every way to the bug.

Quite simply put, the other guy in the fight will be pulling every move he has in his arsenal to get more time on target against the bug, more disables to render it more defensless, while the bug pilot on the other hand can be virtually asleep at the wheel, unless he is Trash.

Now if you think that's a good thing, and that it's okay to get victory just because you opened your wallet, I can see why you play this game. Cause you probably couldn't hack it in other games.
In your opinion.
I have a bug and I would equate the advantage to that of having better equipment. For example, the performance gained from going FE to JHAS is less than the improvement I saw from moving to 4xDHC from 3xDHC and a DBB. I gained more performance from upgrading my weapons from mk X to XII than I got from moving to the bug. Gained more moving to seperate fire keys than from moving to bug. Gained more from keybinding buffs than from moving to bug. You get the picture.
Again, all from experience, not hearsay and green syndrome suspicion mongering, like some of what's stated as fact in this thread.

And I didn't open jack to get mine, I ground my balls off in game to buy it off the exchange so keep those snide comments to yourself, thanks very much.
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# 123
08-25-2012, 04:12 PM
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In your opinion.
I have a bug and I would equate the advantage to that of having better equipment. For example, the performance gained from going FE to JHAS is less than the improvement I saw from moving to 4xDHC from 3xDHC and a DBB. I gained more performance from upgrading my weapons from mk X to XII than I got from moving to the bug. Gained more moving to seperate fire keys than from moving to bug. Gained more from keybinding buffs than from moving to bug. You get the picture.
Again, all from experience, not hearsay and green syndrome suspicion mongering, like some of what's stated as fact in this thread.

And I didn't open jack to get mine, I ground my balls off in game to buy it off the exchange so keep those snide comments to yourself, thanks very much.
Oh please. I've driven the Fleet Escort, it's no where in the league of the AE, or Mvam. The bug is worlds beyond both of those.

Shooting at slow and untalented targets no you won't notice any differences. Because most people are poppable in this game by Overload carrying Shuttles. Against Real Talent on the other hand, the bugs advantages are flat out undeniable.

Tell me champ, what does the mvam have over the bug? It's not Shields, because if the mvam eats 3 consoles it only Equals shields. It's not hull points, because it loses hull, and ontop of that has less base hull to start with. It's not Speed, because the bug has better impulse mods, it's not turn rate because guess what again? it has better. Don't even get me started on the poor Defiant. Because it is flat out out classed even worse than the poor Mvam and AE.

It's not eng consoles. because it probably ate both of them up, for Command and Borg in order to get the shield consoles up to snuff. Oh.. and you have more eng consoles than the mvam and ae anyway. Oops.

It sure as hell ain't boff layout, since ltcmdr sci is The Suck, and the bop has 2 lt unis.

Please, tell me why it's okay to completely and utterly relegate T5 ships into being Useless. Because you own one? It's magically okay or good game design?

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# 124
08-25-2012, 04:16 PM
You know what dude, I don't even give a ****.

You go and keep telling yourself that you only lost to so and so because he has a bug or whatever helps you sleep at night.

kthx champ.
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# 125
08-25-2012, 04:19 PM
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You know what dude, I don't even give a ****.

You go and keep telling yourself that you only lost to so and so because he has a bug or whatever helps you sleep at night.

kthx champ.
I hate to tell you this kiddo, but you aren't nearly as good as you think you are.
I'll even prove it.

Go grab a shuttle. You want to beat someone on pure skill? Step up son.
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# 126
08-25-2012, 04:20 PM
But the real question is:
Who wins if two Captains of equal skill with the same weapons and the same keybinds fight and one of them has the drug...oops, I mean the Bug?
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# 127
08-25-2012, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by starwrathforever View Post
If you win because you are a stronger and more muscular athlete (Mk XII weapons) nobody criticize you, but if you take performance-enhancing drugs (the Bug)...

And well, Travelingmaster...I add you to the list of the best of the best...
I wouldn't call myself amongst the best of the best, 'cause I'm sure the likes of Zirac, Minimax, Minitrickin (Master Yoda), and whatnot can outperform me. Maybe I'm in the top 20% percentile, when it comes to escorts/BoPs.
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# 128
08-25-2012, 04:28 PM
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I hate to tell you this kiddo, but you aren't nearly as good as you think you are.
I'll even prove it.

Go grab a shuttle. You want to beat someone on pure skill? Step up son.
There's only one person here making any sort of claim to a particular level of skill and that's you.
I'm perfectly confident in my own level of skill, without resorting to challenges with people calling my kiddo. Come back to me when your level of maturity is more appropriate for your claimed level of skill.
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# 129
08-25-2012, 04:35 PM
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There's only one person here making any sort of claim to a particular level of skill and that's you.
I'm perfectly confident in my own level of skill, without resorting to challenges with people calling my kiddo. Come back to me when your level of maturity is more appropriate for your claimed level of skill.
Aww how cute.

Tell me did your mother tell you that line?
You got no talent, if you don't think the bug is an abomination. Fun fact, little one. I kill bugs in arenas, regularly when I play. Because most of them can't use what the ship has. Because they can't even use the full power of the previous Escorts.

And you certainly are one of them danny boy.

Knowing the bug is out right better is just a matter of looking at it's stats across the board and comparing them to everything else. If you can't do that, impartially you certainly aren't an elite player.
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# 130
08-25-2012, 04:39 PM
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I wouldn't call myself amongst the best of the best, 'cause I'm sure the likes of Zirac, Minimax, Minitrickin (Master Yoda), and whatnot can outperform me. Maybe I'm in the top 20% percentile, when it comes to escorts/BoPs.
Then now you're on my list of the best...
K D F - Killing Disadvantaged Feds
K D F - The evul way to play Sto

I salute Adm. Marcus, a real Starfleet hero! Thanks to his courage we Tac Feds now have an awesome Cruiser, the USS Avenger!
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