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# 241
08-28-2012, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by mattjohnsonva View Post
Don't bet on it, I'm already putting together a Fleet Defiant Killer, can't wait for a good scrap but the bug will reign supreme and the whiners that don't have one will keep whining LOL.

You gotta send you wife out on the streets, ransom your kids, rob a bank, whatever it takes, just get a Bug or be bugged by bugs and end up buggered!
I already have the bug. And I only got 2 doffs packages on last day of promotion, last one was the winner. So I'm a lucky mofo, lol. I'm also planning on getting the defiant and mvam, and im on the same page w frosty, I think Fleet mvam can be a bug killer easier than fleet defiant. Gotta see it though...
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# 242
08-28-2012, 08:34 AM
with all of these talented players posting here, i am continually baffled at the the continued attention to vilify this ship.

its the pilot guys. bugs can be killed, just like any other escort. right in between the tac team cycle. i kill bugs daily.....both in my defiant, and in my bug. (and now in my bleedthru bop)

here is a link to a video by my good friend zorena, its me in my defiant against regulus in his bug. regulus is a well respected pilot from lag industries. not one of us here would hesistate calling him our peer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSMPhsVkJNY&feature=plcp

with the proper gameplan and timing, any ship can be defeated in 1v1, and its even easier to do in 5v5 because of all the added variables.

have fun kill bad guys
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# 243
08-28-2012, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by thishorizon View Post
with all of these talented players posting here, i am continually baffled at the the continued attention to vilify this ship.

its the pilot guys. bugs can be killed, just like any other escort. right in between the tac team cycle. i kill bugs daily.....both in my defiant, and in my bug. (and now in my bleedthru bop)

here is a link to a video by my good friend zorena, its me in my defiant against regulus in his bug. regulus is a well respected pilot from lag industries. not one of us here would hesistate calling him our peer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSMPhsVkJNY&feature=plcp

with the proper gameplan and timing, any ship can be defeated in 1v1, and its even easier to do in 5v5 because of all the added variables.

have fun kill bad guys
Yeah, and the bug also can be built accordingly to have multiple tools to survive during the gap between TTs.

The thing is, the Bug also has more offensive tools than any other Escort in it's arsenal due to it's agility. You simply put, get far more opportunities in the bug than you will in any other escort. Especially those that don't have either the same # of consoles, or the agility (or both) I too have hit Reg's bug with a can of raid and I've fought Kedrics to a complete standstill several times. In Beta Command.

The problem is, once beta is done. the only ship that can feesibly do it, can't. The Defiant is the next closest to being able to perform the job, and frankly it has flat out numeric disadvantages as well.

Again go look at my highlight reel of what the bug has vs the other Escorts. It is Flat Out A Better Ship Statistically. You can say "pilot zomg zomg zomg" all you want, but to deny Facts, is well, denying reality. The Bug is a Better Toy than any other Escort in the game, period.
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# 244
08-28-2012, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by thishorizon View Post
with all of these talented players posting here, i am continually baffled at the the continued attention to vilify this ship.

its the pilot guys. bugs can be killed, just like any other escort. right in between the tac team cycle. i kill bugs daily.....both in my defiant, and in my bug. (and now in my bleedthru bop)

here is a link to a video by my good friend zorena, its me in my defiant against regulus in his bug. regulus is a well respected pilot from lag industries. not one of us here would hesistate calling him our peer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSMPhsVkJNY&feature=plcp

with the proper gameplan and timing, any ship can be defeated in 1v1, and its even easier to do in 5v5 because of all the added variables.

have fun kill bad guys
Nice film, thx for posting. The Bug pilot was making a lot of mistakes though, I bet he is specced up for those quantums he's firing too. He was constantly getting caught in your tractor, and also, maybe it's hard to see in the film, but how do you continue firing at him when he's >10km from you?
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# 245
08-28-2012, 09:27 AM
the video was taken from the camera man's perspective....i dont know how he does it, but zorena of tsi has some nice quality vids. if you notice i have a distance value on my reticle box.

and ghostly, im not really arguing, the bug is the best escort. just like the oddy is the best cruiser. or maybe that new tholian carrier is a better healer...idunno, but put an engineer in one of those, and as an escort guy im calling foul!

yet i don't really call foul. and if you don't think that an engineer in a sci oddy isnt horribly healing overpowered, and has the ability to out tank every other ship, and has more opportunities for big team heals, then you have not flown one. but it still has its weaknesses. just like all the ships. the bug gets 1 sci console. there's one. honestly, it needs another one too, prolly mainly a lower hull capacity. leave it the most agile, thats fine....
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# 246
08-28-2012, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by thishorizon View Post
the video was taken from the camera man's perspective....i dont know how he does it, but zorena of tsi has some nice quality vids. if you notice i have a distance value on my reticle box.

and ghostly, im not really arguing, the bug is the best escort. just like the oddy is the best cruiser. or maybe that new tholian carrier is a better healer...idunno, but put an engineer in one of those, and as an escort guy im calling foul!

yet i don't really call foul. and if you don't think that an engineer in a sci oddy isnt horribly healing overpowered, and has the ability to out tank every other ship, and has more opportunities for big team heals, then you have not flown one. but it still has its weaknesses. just like all the ships. the bug gets 1 sci console. there's one. honestly, it needs another one too, prolly mainly a lower hull capacity. leave it the most agile, thats fine....
They maybe the best, but even they have draw backs namely mobiity compared to other cruisers. Yeah, in 99 percent of cases the Oddy and Reculse are > any other choice save for tacs. But even they have slight drawbacks. There's powers they can't use because of their lack of mobility comparatively speaking, when they roll as healers, namely in the CC dept.

Nah the bugs Shield Mod makes it = to a ship that has 2 field gens believe it or not.
And yes that is the only thing you put in a sci console on an escort these days. It's the Defacto Choice.

Seriously, the bug with a field gen = 3 field gen mvams on shield points. That's not really a draw back. Now if they gave it Saber mods, then yeah I'd be alot more fine with it.
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# 247
08-28-2012, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ghostyandfrosty View Post
Yeah, and the bug also can be built accordingly to have multiple tools to survive during the gap between TTs.

The thing is, the Bug also has more offensive tools than any other Escort in it's arsenal due to it's agility. You simply put, get far more opportunities in the bug than you will in any other escort. Especially those that don't have either the same # of consoles, or the agility (or both) I too have hit Reg's bug with a can of raid and I've fought Kedrics to a complete standstill several times. In Beta Command.

The problem is, once beta is done. the only ship that can feesibly do it, can't. The Defiant is the next closest to being able to perform the job, and frankly it has flat out numeric disadvantages as well.

Again go look at my highlight reel of what the bug has vs the other Escorts. It is Flat Out A Better Ship Statistically. You can say "pilot zomg zomg zomg" all you want, but to deny Facts, is well, denying reality. The Bug is a Better Toy than any other Escort in the game, period.
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Originally Posted by ghostyandfrosty View Post
Seriously, the bug with a field gen = 3 field gen mvams on shield points. That's not really a draw back. Now if they gave it Saber mods, then yeah I'd be alot more fine with it.
Do you even know what you are saying half of the time?

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# 248
08-28-2012, 10:59 AM
Saying the oddy isn't better for every one but the bug is is a flawed argument.

Cruisers have more then one role... Escorts DO NOT.

When you have a ship that only has one role, period.

Well sorry its impossible for it not to be true that ONE of the choices is going to be the best one. In this case Cryptic has choose a rare lockbox ship, to inject for people to salivate over. Yes its just a bit better... OP is going far. Would I tone down 1 or 2 things if I was doing it.... I am not sure honestly mabey, but I don't think leaving it as is destroys the balance.

Sure we could hope Cryptic would give us a 100% perfect balance of escorts... but why should they.

They do NOT have a 100% perfect balance on the cruiser end of things... the only reason one cruiser doesn't shine so much over the others even though it gets basicly better everything... is because the cruiser is a multi purpose ship.

Ditto for the Sci ships... One lock box sci ship... gets A Commander Sci... A Lt. Commander Eng... and a Universal Lt. Commander to go with... 3 Tac units with no real cost... sure we could say ya but the turn... but really there is only 1 sci that really out turns it... the rest are either very slightly better or worse.... Yet we don't complain about it do we... I guess perhaps in 10 months when the few left in the system go for 300 mil there may be a small number of sci guys that don't have one that will bring it up.

YES the bug is the best on paper escort.... and very likely the best all round escort real world as well.... SO what. Its still not OP.... single role ships will have a winner. Right now its the bug. I still think in a month or so or what ever it takes... my outlook on that may shift to the Fleet Advanced.

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# 249
08-28-2012, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by mewi View Post
You'd hate to fight me in PvP ;3



Do you even know what you are saying half of the time?
Are you drunk? I bet you're just a faceroller that does 'well" in kerrat. You got nothin on me kiddo.

Actually yes. I do. You act like we don't know how to do math. Or that some how we don't have access to stats.
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# 250
08-28-2012, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by husanakx View Post
Saying the oddy isn't better for every one but the bug is is a flawed argument.

Cruisers have more then one role... Escorts DO NOT.

When you have a ship that only has one role, period.

Well sorry its impossible for it not to be true that ONE of the choices is going to be the best one. In this case Cryptic has choose a rare lockbox ship, to inject for people to salivate over. Yes its just a bit better... OP is going far. Would I tone down 1 or 2 things if I was doing it.... I am not sure honestly mabey, but I don't think leaving it as is destroys the balance.

Sure we could hope Cryptic would give us a 100% perfect balance of escorts... but why should they.

They do NOT have a 100% perfect balance on the cruiser end of things... the only reason one cruiser doesn't shine so much over the others even though it gets basicly better everything... is because the cruiser is a multi purpose ship.

Ditto for the Sci ships... One lock box sci ship... gets A Commander Sci... A Lt. Commander Eng... and a Universal Lt. Commander to go with... 3 Tac units with no real cost... sure we could say ya but the turn... but really there is only 1 sci that really out turns it... the rest are either very slightly better or worse.... Yet we don't complain about it do we... I guess perhaps in 10 months when the few left in the system go for 300 mil there may be a small number of sci guys that don't have one that will bring it up.

YES the bug is the best on paper escort.... and very likely the best all round escort real world as well.... SO what. Its still not OP.... single role ships will have a winner. Right now its the bug. I still think in a month or so or what ever it takes... my outlook on that may shift to the Fleet Advanced.
To an extent yeah escorts have a single role, but Cryptic has (to some degree) tried to give the escorts different paths to that role. The Patrol and Advanced are tankier in engi and sci respectively with the MVAE going more toward a sci offensive ability with that. The Defiant could be argued to be the pure escort, pretty much just pew pew in philosophy. And the Armitage doing a more cc path. The differences do make sense and they have some tradeoff. They each give up a bit of something as they specialize in their slight variation.

The general problem with the bug is that while it does follow a different path, agility specifically, it doesn't really trade anything. It loses some sci compared to the MVAE but has the same compared to every other escort in BOffs with 1 console less then the Patrol and Defiant. But with the same amount of Engi consoles as the Patrol generally running the same BOff layout...with the same Tac consoles as the Defiant, with Hull just below the Armitage, and shields better then all of them.

Generally it is why I agree with Drunk's suggestion. Just take some away from shield and hull. I'd put it just below the Defiant in Hull with the same shields.
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