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# 61
08-22-2012, 10:35 AM
First the man and then the machine! At Ker'rat I see what the best Bop pilots can do in their little demons...powerful surprise alpha attacks, lethal sci-tac abilities blend, perfect timing strategic retreats.
But only the best of the best Captains can effectively fight so well without weaknesses in a vessel so difficult to tame.
The same is true for the Bug, a stats superior escort but really OP in the hands of the best of the best.
But I wanna also say that only the Bug can escape from my full aux TB2...azz...this is insane!
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# 62
08-22-2012, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ghostyandfrosty View Post
The Tholian ships would like a word with you.

They aren't better than the Fleet ships either, and yet people looove them some Orbweavers and Recluses. (Infact Recluse pets are some of the worst options overall)

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The ship being unique but on par with fleet ships is good enough to make them desirable. Here's the thing, Fleet Ships are Ground for, weeks, if not months in the making to get them. A lockbox ship is something you can get on the first or second try in less than five minutes. Fleet ships also cost, on average 20 USD a pop.
Ignoring the fact that Lockbox ships ( particularly this one ) take far more to get, and are infact very pricy, even over the exchange.

Ignoring the fact that Fleet Ships are always available, whereas lockbox ships are not.

Ignoring the fact that the Attack Ship wasn't even in a Lockbox last time, yet cost more than a lockbox, and was available for a far shorter time than any other lockbox ship. ( Excluding Winter Event )


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So tell me, exactly why should the bug be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a fleet ship again? "I spent hundreds to get mine!" And you made that choice. If you're dumb enough to shell out that kind of cash for something you can't even hold in your hand, you have issues you need to work through.
What people spend their money on, is none of your business. Look I've spent quite a bit on this game, click the "Computer" link in my signature. Do you really think money is an issue for me? /lol

Furthermore ever bought a video game? Yes? How about a videogame console? Yes? How dare you shell out that kind of cash for virtual eyecandy.

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# 63
08-22-2012, 10:57 AM
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What people spend their money on, is none of your business. Look I've spent quite a bit on this game, click the "Computer" link in my signature. Do you really think money is an issue for me? /lol
Holly cow Mewi, you're living in a flight control tower? Lol. I bet that only the 3 monitor stand was a small fortune. Still, for this game, I think you'd better be with a 37-42 inch tv, but that's me...

A side note: the issue with spending money is not a problem in itself, but when only few people can afford it or are willing to spend, then the game goes to hell since those people that can afford will kick the butts of everybody else, so having a "slight" advantage is somewhat ok, but when this advantage gets more than slight, it becomes an issue.
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# 64
08-22-2012, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by mewi View Post
Ignoring the fact that Lockbox ships ( particularly this one ) take far more to get, and are infact very pricy, even over the exchange.

Ignoring the fact that Fleet Ships are always available, whereas lockbox ships are not.

Ignoring the fact that the Attack Ship wasn't even in a Lockbox last time, yet cost more than a lockbox, and was available for a far shorter time than any other lockbox ship. ( Excluding Winter Event )




What people spend their money on, is none of your business. Look I've spent quite a bit on this game, click the "Computer" link in my signature. Do you really think money is an issue for me? /lol

Furthermore ever bought a video game? Yes? How about a videogame console? Yes? How dare you shell out that kind of cash for virtual eyecandy.
See above. The Tholian ships and the Galor didn't get to be OP. So why did the bug?

Fleet Ships again take ALOT of resources to get, often times you have to end up buying Doff Packs just to feed the damn missions. Meaning their cost is often, quite usually higher than 20 dollars before it is said and done. "always available" Yes, to people with fleets, fleets which Usually consist of more than one person, each dedicating no small amount of time to get better ships. Available, providing you grind for Week upon Week, upon Week to get it, over an entire guild. Vs... Oh I spent 110 cpoints looky a lockbox ship! wooo!

You want an advantage, to compensate for your lack of ability. You're willing to shell out oodles of money to get it. What happens when cryptic does it again, and makes something more powerful than your ship. What are you going to then? Open your wallet again?

Do you really think I care about your income level there champ? What you spent on your computer, I've put into my cars. Easily.

Funny, when I spend twenty to sixty dollars for a game, I get a full product, that in most cases, I have a hard copy of. Not... you shell out sixty dollars for something that once the game dies and STO will die, you'll never get to use it again. If you want to be Stupid and spend hundreds of dollars for a Ship, go right ahead. But that doesn't mean you get to have in game advantages (or shouldn't) over someone that spent less than you because they had more sense than you. Or if you do feel that way, maybe you should have aimed abit higher than what you got since you don't feel it's superior enough.

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# 65
08-22-2012, 11:07 AM
Awesome, but I like most the pictures with the kittens! They are so adorable...
K D F - Killing Disadvantaged Feds
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# 66
08-22-2012, 11:12 AM
Bug ship was already op before they added a 5th tac console, they should get rid of that extra tac console, no need for that. It still would have advantages of maneuverability, hull and universal slots over 5 tac console fleet ships. If they really insist on giving the bug ship a extra console it should be a sci console. Only real counter to it is Armitage with Danubes to stop its insane maneuverability.
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# 67
08-22-2012, 12:04 PM
Honestly this entire conversation reminds me of when people used to ba ba ba BOP... is BS OP crap. It can out turn anything. Of course after 4 or 5 more ships got released the BOP ain't so OP anymore right.

I will say this... they should have taken the recent bump it got with the 5th console and waited 1-2 months after season 6 to release it... this way they would have had more of the fleet ships in the wild first.... also they may have even sold a few more fleet ship to people that owned bugs... hahaha

Frankly if you don't like the bug don't worry... we are close to another doff pack promotions or something that will drop a small handful of them back into the system... Cryptic will use it to drive a weekend sale here soon enough.

We are most probably a month away from the end of the tholian box as well... the sales are starting to die down... anyone have any bets how good this next lock box Escort is going to be... lets be honest another escort is due up right.
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# 68
08-22-2012, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ghostyandfrosty View Post
You want an advantage, to compensate for your lack of ability. You're willing to shell out oodles of money to get it. What happens when cryptic does it again, and makes something more powerful than your ship. What are you going to then? Open your wallet again?
I'll ignore the rest of your rant and focus strictly on this one for now.

So I have a lack of ability do I? Under what data do you reason that statement with? Your complete lack of PvPing me in-game? Like Never? Even once?

Oh that is right, you think Attack Ship is an I-Win Button. Why? ? A lot of PvPers on this forum, spend 99% of their time in teams, this is highly limiting to the ability aspect, it forces you to rely on others whilst fighting a target. This is a fundamentally flawed way to balance a game, one must first know what it is like to fight those that do NOT do teams ( at least not all of the time ). Then they will know just what it is like.

:3 Your clear lack of understanding on how Fleet starbase system works is clear. But let us ignore that for a second, you are going on a rant that "Oh Yeah well I worked hard to get it" comment. Now by that logic, you leveled up to get that RA ship, you felt like you worked hard for it? Should then, all ships be equal to the RA ship because you felt like you worked so hard to get it?

Now back to StarBases, you don't need to pump in endless resources, just enough to get 20k Fleet Credits, which if you aren't completely incompetent at this game, is an easy task to do. Then all you need is a fleet with the specific tier and permissions to buy from their store. Yeah, real challenging there, you don't even have to do anything for the fleet. ( Unless they require it, which will be rare )

Also I'll point out that most of everything that pops up in C-Store can also be bought off of the exchange. Including Ship modules, Attack Ships, Your dads TV, etc.

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# 69
08-22-2012, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ghostyandfrosty View Post

Funny, when I spend twenty to sixty dollars for a game, I get a full product, that in most cases, I have a hard copy of. Not... you shell out sixty dollars for something that once the game dies and STO will die, you'll never get to use it again. If you want to be Stupid and spend hundreds of dollars for a Ship, go right ahead. But that doesn't mean you get to have in game advantages (or shouldn't) over someone that spent less than you because they had more sense than you. Or if you do feel that way, maybe you should have aimed abit higher than what you got since you don't feel it's superior enough.
Other people might say spending much money on a car is stupid. STO is a hobby and hey even gambling could be a hobby. So if someone has fun in opening lockboxes or buying ships, why the hell not. If you start selling your children it gets questionable but if you can afford it...
You should never try to tell people they are stupid for having fun their way.

The problem is something else. If you do pvp people often see it as a sport. And in sports you expect more or less equal chances due to equipment. If in boxing someone would put spikes on his gloves he would get an unfair advantage. Players want to measure their skills and not lose to a player with less skill because they could not afford some equipment.

Now that being said its still an MMO. There will always be differences, like some have MK XI and others MKXII. Small advantages are ok and if you have to pay to get them it is ok for me too. But the advantages shouldnt get too big. A little P2W is ok, it finances this game but I think the bug is a little too good. Not unbeatable but just a little too good.
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# 70
08-22-2012, 12:49 PM
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The problem is something else. If you do pvp people often see it as a sport. And in sports you expect more or less equal chances due to equipment. If in boxing someone would put spikes on his gloves he would get an unfair advantage. Players want to measure their skills and not lose to a player with less skill because they could not afford some equipment.
Frankly that right there is sort of funny... there are different levels of sport clearly.
No one uses the best of the best equip in a weekend league... however I have played Hockey with guys that have spent $500 on a stick. Another that had a $700 pair of skates... I doubt they bought those because they felt they where equal to my $50 bauer skates and my old Canadian Tire Sherwood.

If you look at ANY professional sport... yes they spend thousands of dollars on equipment. How many of you golf and wouldn't like to upgrade your set of clubs ? In EVERY sport this is true... even in junk no one cares about, look at the olympics they barred swimmers from using there multi thousand dollar slick suites, ect ect ect.

Its Sport and people equip themselves the best they can.... HOWEVER... Wayne Gretzky would **** face with MY old sherwood... if Tiger woods was to show up at a golf course and pick up a set of rentals, do any of us think because we just picked up a new set of Callaways we would kick his backside ??? Come on gear is a nice bump but in any sport, people will look for that little extra bump... and frankly with or with out the cream always rises.
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