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Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 31
08-24-2012, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by krylm View Post
Sharing common traits with another ship and being the refit of another ship are completely different.

Please enlighten me to a T5 ship that doesn't have it's own unique ability? Does that ability also exist on the Dreadnought? I personally am not asking for the ship to be over-powered. I would just call it a reconfiguration of the console and BOFF layout.

Yet another useless response just for the sake of appearing witty...while your response is pretty funny and one of the more original ones you just don't understand.
I rather think I understand the point well enough. People think that having a Cloak and a Phaser Lance on top of what a normal cruiser of its level has is not enough. This despite the fact that this was known to be exactly the ship they were purchasing when they bought it.

This also despite the fact that the ship that is the stablemate to it (the Odyssey-Tactical) also only gets two special abilities (Quantumn Slipstream and Aquarius Escort).

And all of this on a hull that is defined as an upgraded retrofit of the Galaxy Class, and required extensive hull modifications to pull off.

Might as well ask for a new class of ship, as this one seems pretty much where it should be, and the only way it will satisfy people who don't think that is with the modifications I suggested.

But then, I don't -really- understand, do I?
Lieutenant
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 32
# 32
08-24-2012, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by danqueller View Post
I rather think I understand the point well enough. People think that having a Cloak and a Phaser Lance on top of what a normal cruiser of its level has is not enough. This despite the fact that this was known to be exactly the ship they were purchasing when they bought it.

This also despite the fact that the ship that is the stablemate to it (the Odyssey-Tactical) also only gets two special abilities (Quantumn Slipstream and Aquarius Escort).

And all of this on a hull that is defined as an upgraded retrofit of the Galaxy Class, and required extensive hull modifications to pull off.

Might as well ask for a new class of ship, as this one seems pretty much where it should be, and the only way it will satisfy people who don't think that is with the modifications I suggested.

But then, I don't -really- understand, do I?
I wouldn't mind a new ship at all to accomplish this.

The reason the topic is most prevalent with the Dreadnought is because people expect the Federation to have atleast one "Battlecruiser" and I think they expect more than what the Dreadnought and Odyssey Tactical deliver. Consider the Bortasqu Tactical on the Klingon side. That is what a "Battlecruiser" is supposed to be. Look at that and compare it to the Dreadnought and on the surface I think they were designed with the same goal in mind but the Dreadnought was stuff with engineering consoles and BOFF's instead. The Dreadnought seems to exist in the middle of two worlds of combat when it seems like it should just be Tactical. Hope I am making sense.

Judging by everyones response it sounds like I should just play Klingon to get what I want since the play community seems to hate people that want the Federation to have a Battlecruiser. Just don't understand the hatred.
Lieutenant
Join Date: Aug 2012
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# 33
08-24-2012, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by lordmalak1 View Post
From the Bortasqu description in the c-store:


...So you're saying the cloak works better on the Fed dread than the KDF ship ?
I have no idea how you were able to come to that conclusion based on what I said. I didn't say a thing about the Bortasqu cloak being less effective....

If you are trying to tell me that I should be happy with the Dreadnought being far inferior because the cloak works slightly better try again.
Commander
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# 34
08-24-2012, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by wotertool View Post
The Romulans were so friendly to give us the cloak for ****ty D7 Cruisers

Back to the topic,
If the Galaxy X gets a Refit I think I'm going to buy it. Atm I fly an Assualt Cruiser and I think I will buy the Regent for Dilithm (Dilithium Exchange). But I would throw it away for a Gal-R Refit!
Yes. they traded the ability for warp travel to an agressive empire which since then has attacked them several times and actually is more or less their blood enemy for.. the ability to hide.

Good job klinkers, good.job.





galx refit would be fine with +2 turnrate (bumping it to escelsior) and the regent boff setup.
Oh and make the lanco combo-capable with bo3? ^^
Captain
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# 35
08-24-2012, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by krylm View Post
I have no idea how you were able to come to that conclusion based on what I said. I didn't say a thing about the Bortasqu cloak being less effective....

If you are trying to tell me that I should be happy with the Dreadnought being far inferior because the cloak works slightly better try again.
My bad, I thought you were saying the fed cloak was good for sneaking up on someone and 'one-shotting' them, in a ship with 4 forward weapons and ENG console heavy.

too funny.
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Lieutenant
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# 36
08-24-2012, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by lordmalak1 View Post
My bad, I thought you were saying the fed cloak was good for sneaking up on someone and 'one-shotting' them, in a ship with 4 forward weapons and ENG console heavy.

too funny.
It's the same Cloak the Klingons get....

With all the buffs on, quad cannons, 3 DHC's, 4 turrets on the back, and the phaser lance....yeah it can easily one shot people. The evidence to this is practically all over the place. If you that's not enough for you than I don't know what is.
Captain
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# 37
08-25-2012, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by krylm View Post
It's the same Cloak the Klingons get....

With all the buffs on, quad cannons, 3 DHC's, 4 turrets on the back, and the phaser lance....yeah it can easily one shot people. The evidence to this is practically all over the place. If you that's not enough for you than I don't know what is.
Did I just hear the words One-Shot, Spinal Lance, and Quad Cannons in the same sentence?
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So inhumane superweapons, mass murder, and canon nonsense is okay, but speedos are too much for some people.
Lieutenant
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 32
# 38
08-26-2012, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by centersolace View Post
Did I just hear the words One-Shot, Spinal Lance, and Quad Cannons in the same sentence?
I don't know if that's what you read as I don't know what level you're reading at. If you would like we could start with "Goodnight Moon" and see how you do?

The funniest part of this is when people tell me that the Dreadnought is a worthless pile of crap and then when people ask to change it the same people say its too strong....

Last edited by krylm; 08-26-2012 at 05:14 AM.
Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 531
# 39
08-27-2012, 02:34 PM
The Dreadnaught as is is perfectly fine. The only things that SHOULD be done is make a fleet version that bumps the LT Boff up to Commander and drop either a console slot or downgrade a Boff. The cloak is ok but I never use it. The Lance should be the energy type of choice. I would grind FM and maybe spend a couple dollars for those changes.

EDIT: A Tactical Cmdr slot, that is.
Just say no to ARC

Last edited by tancrediiv; 08-28-2012 at 08:42 AM. Reason: Missed an important destinction
Career Officer
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Posts: 63
# 40
08-31-2012, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by teleon22 View Post
If they were to do a refit of the Dreadnaught I?d really only like to see four simple changes to the ship to make it worthwhile for me to purchase it.

1. Remove the Cloaking Device console and make it a ship specific ability like the Phaser Lance
2. Add the Saucer Separation ability. (Saucer Separation disables the Phaser Lance)
3. Make the Lieutenant Science Slot a universal Lieutenant Slot.
4. Add another Science Console upgrade slot.

I agree that the cloak should be a ship ability akin to the Lance and similar to Klingon cloaks. But even then, I wont use it often if at all. Its not a combat cloak like the Klingons have, or like the Dreadnought used in "All Good Things" and as such its effectiveness will always be questionable.

Saucer separation is a must. It'd give the ship a much needed boost to maneuverability. Especially for players who run a high DPS cannon setup. The base turning speed is very low, too low even for such a ship.

Lieutenant Universal slot would be slightly too easy to use. Add another engineer Boff for some serious tanking? If any changes should be made to the Boff layout, it should be for a Tactical gain. Considering the Dreadnought is such a combat orientated vessel, its current Tac Boff slots are woefully underpowered.

Adding another science slot couldn't hurt. It'd be somewhere to place that useless cloak console...
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