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# 1 Another Dreadnought Thread!
08-23-2012, 12:55 PM
It seems to me that the Federation Dreadnought should mirror the Bortasqu Tactical since they are in grand terms meant for the same style of play. The Bortasqu is a large lumbering ship with a large main gun and a cloak. It was built for battle and the BOFF and console layout reflect that. The Federation Dreadnought was built for the same dang purpose and we are stuck with a ship that in a standoff with the Bortasqu Tactical would probably be annihilated!

The Bortasqu Tactical for any that do not know has the following layout,

43,500 Hull
3500 crew
1 Lt Tactical BOFF
1 Commander Engineer BOFF
1 Lt Science BOFF
1 Ensign Universal BOFF
1 Lt. Commander Universal BOFF

5 Tactical Console slots
4 Engineer Console slots
1 Science Console slot

I reviewed all Federation ships and we have NO equiviliant! We have no large tactical minded cruisers. Obviously I'm not calling for directly mirroring that cruiser as the dreadnought cannot fit 3500 people but can't they give us something similar?

I know all you super elite veteran superstars will jump in and tell us we should sit in the back and heal you or something stupid but I'm not raising this subject with combat efficiency in mind because not all of us just sit there and PVP day and night. This is about play style and what we want out of the game and I don't see that this would create an imbalance in the game!

Thoughts?
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# 2
08-23-2012, 01:08 PM
The Odyssey class is as close as you're going to get. I for one would prefer for the Federation not to have something that's the same as the Bortas.

1-The Bortas is unique to the Klingons for the very reasons you listed. Their uniqueness has slowly been torn away from them over the past two years, this is one of the remaining few things they have left.

2-A large lumbering dreadnought warship hulk is not in the vision of the Federation. If anything, they will create something that is very large, but very multi-purpose. It can fight, it can explore, it can be used for diplomacy...IE The Odyssey.

3-Just because one side gets something, doesn't mean the other should. Balance can be played out using what we have. The Odyssey is an extremely powerful ship that equals the Bortas. The Bortas has big teeth, but she's very slow and cumbersome, and has light shielding by comparison.

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# 3
08-23-2012, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by daiouvegeta2 View Post
The Odyssey class is as close as you're going to get. I for one would prefer for the Federation not to have something that's the same as the Bortas.

1-The Bortas is unique to the Klingons for the very reasons you listed. Their uniqueness has slowly been torn away from them over the past two years, this is one of the remaining few things they have left.

2-A large lumbering dreadnought warship hulk is not in the vision of the Federation. If anything, they will create something that is very large, but very multi-purpose. It can fight, it can explore, it can be used for diplomacy...IE The Odyssey.

Really? Because I remember reading that in the alternate timeline the Enterprise - F an Odyssey class starship was built with combat in mind and I quote

"The ship was the first of its class and it was stated that it was the Defiant to the tenth power. It also possessed a multi-vector assault mode; built with the purpose of combating the Grigari threat."

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/US...se_(NCC-1701-F)
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# 4
08-23-2012, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by krylm View Post
It seems to me that the Federation Dreadnought should mirror the Bortasqu Tactical since they are in grand terms meant for the same style of play. The Bortasqu is a large lumbering ship with a large main gun and a cloak. It was built for battle and the BOFF and console layout reflect that. The Federation Dreadnought was built for the same dang purpose and we are stuck with a ship that in a standoff with the Bortasqu Tactical would probably be annihilated!

The Bortasqu Tactical for any that do not know has the following layout,

43,500 Hull
3500 crew
1 Lt Tactical BOFF
1 Commander Engineer BOFF
1 Lt Science BOFF
1 Ensign Universal BOFF
1 Lt. Commander Universal BOFF

5 Tactical Console slots
4 Engineer Console slots
1 Science Console slot

I reviewed all Federation ships and we have NO equiviliant! We have no large tactical minded cruisers. Obviously I'm not calling for directly mirroring that cruiser as the dreadnought cannot fit 3500 people but can't they give us something similar?

I know all you super elite veteran superstars will jump in and tell us we should sit in the back and heal you or something stupid but I'm not raising this subject with combat efficiency in mind because not all of us just sit there and PVP day and night. This is about play style and what we want out of the game and I don't see that this would create an imbalance in the game!

Thoughts?
Klingon vessels are laid down as warships. StarFleet has other concerns. Right, wrong, or indifferent, that's just how it is, Ace.
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# 5
08-23-2012, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by daiouvegeta2 View Post
The Odyssey class is as close as you're going to get. I for one would prefer for the Federation not to have something that's the same as the Bortas.

1-The Bortas is unique to the Klingons for the very reasons you listed. Their uniqueness has slowly been torn away from them over the past two years, this is one of the remaining few things they have left.

2-A large lumbering dreadnought warship hulk is not in the vision of the Federation. If anything, they will create something that is very large, but very multi-purpose. It can fight, it can explore, it can be used for diplomacy...IE The Odyssey.

3-Just because one side gets something, doesn't mean the other should. Balance can be played out using what we have. The Odyssey is an extremely powerful ship that equals the Bortas. The Bortas has big teeth, but she's very slow and cumbersome, and has light shielding by comparison.
How can you say a ship that came with a giant phaser cannon and a cloak wasn't meant to be a pure bred battleship? It was designed in the alternate timeline during the war with the Klingons specifically with battle in mind. How could having a similar console setup and BOFF setup be robbing it of it's "unique" properties? We could compare a dozen ships on both sides that have identical if not almost identical console and BOFF setups. People didn't like that the Klingons had a carrier so what did they do?

Last edited by krylm; 08-23-2012 at 01:29 PM.
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# 6
08-23-2012, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by mkilczewski View Post
Klingon vessels are laid down as warships. StarFleet has other concerns. Right, wrong, or indifferent, that's just how it is, Ace.
I completely understand this mentality but times change. In Starfleet canon they have created pure bred warships. Considering the storyline we are currently going through I wouldn't think it would be unreasonable to expect them to make one.
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# 7
08-23-2012, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by krylm View Post
I completely understand this mentality but times change. In Starfleet canon they have created pure bred warships. Considering the storyline we are currently going through I wouldn't think it would be unreasonable to expect them to make one.
Right. So you just answered your own question. StarFleet already has capable ships to deploy in the role of a warship.
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# 8
08-23-2012, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by mkilczewski View Post
Right. So you just answered your own question. StarFleet already has capable ships to deploy in the role of a warship.
No, I am saying that in Starfleet history they have created warships. The only warships currently in STO are the smaller escorts. I have both the Sao Paulo and the T5 Defiant and do not enjoy the play style. I enjoy my Dreadnought a great deal. Guess I am just wishing that it was more tactically equiped. Not insanely tactical like the Defiant but having a Lt Commander or even Commander Tactical BOFF would make me happy. Some Additional Tactical console slots would count as my fricken birthday present haha! I hope I am making sense.
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# 9
08-23-2012, 02:07 PM
up to now...i can't see any difference to any other dreadnought thread that came along. I don't know why discuss something that will never be changed. If you think the dreadnought is a good ship...use it. if you think it sucks...rejoice at the sight of another noob flying one in PVP.
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# 10
08-23-2012, 02:10 PM
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up to now...i can't see any difference to any other dreadnought thread that came along. I don't know why discuss something that will never be changed. If you think the dreadnought is a good ship...use it. if you think it sucks...rejoice at the sight of another noob flying one in PVP.
I don't understand what you are saying.
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