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We all want a Romulan faction, but let's face it. Do you want to have a half-baked, less developed than the KDF faction? And as lock boxes have been getting better, these are my ideas for how you could still get Romulan things out to us without starting a whole faction. The following are some of the things I think it should contain:

Lobi Crystals
Romulan Boff requisition (could be explained as a defector)
A box of some special type of weapon (like the Phased Tetryon)
Romulan Bird of Prey
Moagi Escort (both these ships drop about as often as the mirror universe cruisers)
-other assorted *worthwhile* items-
D'deridex Warbird (the grand prize, about 1 in 200 chance like the other top lock box ships)
Scimitar Warbird (The 'special' prize, about 1 in 500)
Stuff for the Lobi store, such as a playable Scorpion fighter.

I made up stats for the ships, but if you have any ideas on how they should be changed, just say so.

Bird-of-Prey

Basically the equivalant of the Klingon BoP. Small, fast, can use battle cloak. Pretty simple.

Consoles:
4 Tactical
3 Science
2 Engineering

2 Device slots

Bridge Officer stations:
Cm Universal
Lt Cm Universal
Lt Universal
Lt Universal
Ens Universal

Battle cloak
Base turn: 16
Weapon slots: 4 fore, 3 aft
Hull: 32,000
Can equip dual cannons


Moagi Warbird

Now, this would be like the Klingon Raptor. It is somewhere in between cruisers and Escorts/BoPs in mavunerability, survivability, and offense. You get more hull, crew, and an extra aft weapon at the cost of turn rate.

Consoles:
4 Tactical
2 Science
3 Engineering

4 device slots

Bridge Officer stations
Cm Tac
Ens Tac
Lt Cm Eng
Lt Eng
Lt Sci

Cloak
Base turn: 10
Weapon slots: 4 fore, 4 aft
Hull: 35,000
Can equip dual cannons


D'deridex Warbird

Essentially a Klingon Battlecruiser. It's big, sluggish, high-hulled, and focuses on engineering more than offense.

Consoles:
3 Tactical
2 Science
4 Engineering

4 Device slots

Bridge Officer stations:
Lt Cm Tac
Ens Tac
Cm Eng
Lt Eng
Lt Sci

Cloak
Base turn: 6
Weapon slots: 4 fore, 4 aft
Hull: 38,000
Can equip dual cannons


Scimitar Warbird

Now, this would probably be the rarest ship in the game and most tactically focused. It would feature the disruptor blast ability that would have a 3 minute cooldown like the spinal phaser lance, and take five seconds to activate (because the wings have to open up, so you would need to keep your target in your sights when it fires). In Nemesis, the cloak was described as being 'perfect'. If I remember correctly, the only way to detect it was telepathy. So, unless you're right on top of it, you can't see it. But if your character or one of your boffs was Betazoid, you could see it from about .5 km away like with other cloaked ships. However, for all the stuff you get you have to sacrifice turn rate. It would turn like a carrier, extremely slow.

Consoles:
5 Tactical
1 Science
3 Engineering

4 device slots

Bridge Officer Stations:
Cm Tac
Lt Tac
Lt Cm Eng
Lt Eng
Ens Sci

Battle cloak
Disruptor blast
Base turn: 5
Weapon slots: 8
Hull: 40,000
Can equip dual cannons


Personally, I'd like to use a Warbird. It would be awesome. Cryptic could explain the ships as being borught by the defectors, and maybe you could use I.R.W. instead of U.S.S. on the warbirds.
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# 2
08-23-2012, 02:01 PM
Here's how to do a Romulan lockbox, the right way.






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Posts: 1,790
# 3
08-23-2012, 02:27 PM
I'd really, really, really rather they not do this. And I think they really, really, really don't want to do this, either.

But if there had to be a Romulan-themed box, it shouldn't contain a Romulan ship. Rather, it should have a variant Ambassador-class with a unique BOff layout and skin for Feds, and a Romulan-inspired Klingon BoP with a Romulan-style material.

Before any Ambassador fanboys go up in arms. I said variant. The base, show model would be available otherwise as a different kind of reward, though it would be a little weaker. The variant would be one of the other versions you see floating around. If you have both, you can use both skins on either version.

Throw in six rare, tradeable Romulan BOffs (each division, both genders) and the usual lockbox filler and we've got ourselves a Romulan lockbox that doesn't wreck all hope for a Romulan faction.
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Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 321
# 4
08-23-2012, 02:38 PM
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We all want a Romulan faction, but let's face it. Do you want to have a half-baked, less developed than the KDF faction? And as lock boxes have been getting better, these are my ideas for how you could still get Romulan things out to us without starting a whole faction. The following are some of the things I think it should contain
The whole concept of having Romulan Lock Boxes kind of misses the point of people calling for a Romulan faction, imo. They want a Romulan character, who is given missions by another Romulan character, not a Fed/KDF character with a Romulan ship, Romulan BOffs or a Romulan uniform.

Cryptic's stance as recently as a month ago is they're not going down the lockbox route with the Romulans in case they want to do them as a faction. That may change in the future though.



And unless I'm very much mistaken, the Romulan BoP is significantly better than any Klingon BoP, considering the extra hull, weapon slot and BOff. As a matter of fact, it's not really a BoP at all. It's a Federation Escort with all universal BOff slots and a battle cloak. Whilst we're tossing balance out an airlock, can I just go ahead and have a console that destroys every enemy ship in the map?
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# 5
08-23-2012, 02:48 PM
I'd rather take a romulan faction to fly romulan ships. Oh and think about a romulan Fleet Starbase. Darn i wan't romulans nau plx!

Delty quadrant ships from Voyager would be an option for more lock box horror.
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# 6
08-23-2012, 03:02 PM
Guys, I'm talking hypothetically if Romulan lock boxes were to come about, this is what I want to see in them. The point of this thread is not another one trying to take down all hope of a RSE faction. The point is to discuss what would be in them, if they ever came about.
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# 7
08-23-2012, 03:56 PM
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Guys, I'm talking hypothetically if Romulan lock boxes were to come about, this is what I want to see in them. The point of this thread is not another one trying to take down all hope of a RSE faction. The point is to discuss what would be in them, if they ever came about.
If you want a discussion solely about lockboxes and not about a Romulan faction, it's probably best not to open with a statement saying a Romulan faction will be half-assed and by extension imply that your lockbox idea is better.



But let's dicusss your lockboxes, if that's what you really want.

Romulan Uniforms and DOffs are two obvious things to put in them that you didn't think of when writing your post. So those could be added under the category of other worthwhile stuff.

The BoP you designed is highly unbalanced. As I said, it's a Fed Escort with a Battle Cloak and Universal BOff slots. Do you not see what's wrong with that? Take a look at the KDF BoPs and ponder why they have one less weapon, one less BOff and less hull than equivalent tier Federation Escorts, as a trade off for the Universal BOffs and battle cloak. And then consider applying that logic to the Romulan one.

Personally, I'd always envisioned that Romulan ships would be Sci heavy, although that's probably not particularly advantageous given that Sci's been gimped to bits and only three powers above Lt level are worth using. Maybe have the D'Deridex come in two potential variants - Regular (Lt. C Tac Boff) and Defender (Lt. C Sci Boff).

The Thaloron Weapon on the Scimitar would be hard to balance. It's designed as a scripted boss attack that can be evaded, not as something a player uses. As you've described it, it's useless against anything other than a stationary target or maybe a cube. Nothing else stays still that long unless you tractor beam it, so you're just relying on luck that they stay within your firing arc, or leave it and come back by the time the weapon fires. But if you reduced the activation time it could become OP very easily. I would say, allow you to arm it whilst cloaked (so NPCs won't react to your presence, and possibly allow you to sneak up on a player in PvP) but have it do significantly less damage than the NPC version.

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Posts: 103
# 8
08-23-2012, 06:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by voporak View Post
We all want a Romulan faction, but let's face it. Do you want to have a half-baked, less developed than the KDF faction? And as lock boxes have been getting better, these are my ideas for how you could still get Romulan things out to us without starting a whole faction. The following are some of the things I think it should contain:

Lobi Crystals
Romulan Boff requisition (could be explained as a defector)
A box of some special type of weapon (like the Phased Tetryon)
Romulan Bird of Prey
Moagi Escort (both these ships drop about as often as the mirror universe cruisers)
-other assorted *worthwhile* items-
D'deridex Warbird (the grand prize, about 1 in 200 chance like the other top lock box ships)
Scimitar Warbird (The 'special' prize, about 1 in 500)
Stuff for the Lobi store, such as a playable Scorpion fighter.

I made up stats for the ships, but if you have any ideas on how they should be changed, just say so.

Bird-of-Prey

Basically the equivalant of the Klingon BoP. Small, fast, can use battle cloak. Pretty simple.

Consoles:
4 Tactical
3 Science
2 Engineering

2 Device slots

Bridge Officer stations:
Cm Universal
Lt Cm Universal
Lt Universal
Lt Universal
Ens Universal

Battle cloak
Base turn: 16
Weapon slots: 4 fore, 3 aft
Hull: 32,000
Can equip dual cannons


Moagi Warbird

Now, this would be like the Klingon Raptor. It is somewhere in between cruisers and Escorts/BoPs in mavunerability, survivability, and offense. You get more hull, crew, and an extra aft weapon at the cost of turn rate.

Consoles:
4 Tactical
2 Science
3 Engineering

4 device slots

Bridge Officer stations
Cm Tac
Ens Tac
Lt Cm Eng
Lt Eng
Lt Sci

Cloak
Base turn: 10
Weapon slots: 4 fore, 4 aft
Hull: 35,000
Can equip dual cannons


D'deridex Warbird

Essentially a Klingon Battlecruiser. It's big, sluggish, high-hulled, and focuses on engineering more than offense.

Consoles:
3 Tactical
2 Science
4 Engineering

4 Device slots

Bridge Officer stations:
Lt Cm Tac
Ens Tac
Cm Eng
Lt Eng
Lt Sci

Cloak
Base turn: 6
Weapon slots: 4 fore, 4 aft
Hull: 38,000
Can equip dual cannons


Scimitar Warbird

Now, this would probably be the rarest ship in the game and most tactically focused. It would feature the disruptor blast ability that would have a 3 minute cooldown like the spinal phaser lance, and take five seconds to activate (because the wings have to open up, so you would need to keep your target in your sights when it fires). In Nemesis, the cloak was described as being 'perfect'. If I remember correctly, the only way to detect it was telepathy. So, unless you're right on top of it, you can't see it. But if your character or one of your boffs was Betazoid, you could see it from about .5 km away like with other cloaked ships. However, for all the stuff you get you have to sacrifice turn rate. It would turn like a carrier, extremely slow.

Consoles:
5 Tactical
1 Science
3 Engineering

4 device slots

Bridge Officer Stations:
Cm Tac
Lt Tac
Lt Cm Eng
Lt Eng
Ens Sci

Battle cloak
Disruptor blast
Base turn: 5
Weapon slots: 8
Hull: 40,000
Can equip dual cannons


Personally, I'd like to use a Warbird. It would be awesome. Cryptic could explain the ships as being borught by the defectors, and maybe you could use I.R.W. instead of U.S.S. on the warbirds.

Omg, ships, ships, ships, and more ships and if that is not enough more ships, we have, leveling ships, Z-store ships, lockbox ships and fleet ships and still wanting more ships, i start to question peoples reasoning, what hapens everyone lost their minds?, waht about new stfs?, what about a good and extense pvp world? what about crafting?, what about get a complete Klingon faction?, what about fix all the everyone know bugs?, tbh all what i said comes before a new ship or a new lockbox, if you are unable to get fun wiht all the ships we already have just move along and play SOSE, or maybe X3 there you can find hundreds of new ships.


Just dont want to be rude but think twice what you posted a lockbox with 4 ships? is out of reasoning, is worst is crazy, crossing fingers for that not hapen
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Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 26
# 9
08-24-2012, 04:59 AM
No for Romulan lockbox. This would be wrong in so many ways.

Romulans deserve to get their own faction. Not just a sidekick for KDF or Federation. Even if it will only be a small faction with a few levels and missions.

Flying a Romulan Warbird with a Federation captain ... imho not a good idea.
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Posts: 1,703
# 10
08-24-2012, 05:02 AM
No thank you, terribad
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