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Lieutenant
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 51
08-28-2012, 03:00 PM
I enjoy respec'?ng and experimenting with new builds. As a result, I've spent enough over $50 worth of zen on tokens. I regret spending so much, but it's the only way to find the perfect build for all my favorite ships. They should definitely reconsider the ridiculous pricing on those things. If anything, they could include one with the purchase of a new ship.
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Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 52
08-30-2012, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by nephilim83 View Post
I enjoy respec'?ng and experimenting with new builds. As a result, I've spent enough over $50 worth of zen on tokens. I regret spending so much, but it's the only way to find the perfect build for all my favorite ships. They should definitely reconsider the ridiculous pricing on those things. If anything, they could include one with the purchase of a new ship.
You can save on zen if you experiment on tribble. If you have a respec token you can copy your character to tribble and respec. if you don't like delete the character on tribble and recopy.
Career Officer
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 32
# 53
08-31-2012, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by nephilim83 View Post
I enjoy respec'?ng and experimenting with new builds. As a result, I've spent enough over $50 worth of zen on tokens. I regret spending so much, but it's the only way to find the perfect build for all my favorite ships. They should definitely reconsider the ridiculous pricing on those things. If anything, they could include one with the purchase of a new ship.


Yea no. you F2Pers already get to much for free. They should have gone with a F2P model like Age of Conan or LOTRO. Instead you F2pers get the entire game for free. The only thing you miss out on is the free respec every level or the veteran awards, most of which are junk, so if you don't like it subscribe, deal with it or leave
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# 54
09-03-2012, 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by reaper66688 View Post
Yea no. you F2Pers already get to much for free. They should have gone with a F2P model like Age of Conan or LOTRO. Instead you F2pers get the entire game for free. The only thing you miss out on is the free respec every level or the veteran awards, most of which are junk, so if you don't like it subscribe, deal with it or leave
F2Per? Did you miss the part where I spent over $50 on respec tokens? That's not to mention all the reinforcement packs, lockbox keys, ships, costumes, and other stuff. I've spent enough on this game to buy a lifetime subscription and then some. And I don't grind dil. I grind at my job. I buy my zen with hard earned money. So excuse me If I'd like them to cut me a little slack here. Five bucks per respec is crap. That's all there is to it. It's almost as bad as selling subscriptions to a F2P game and giving subscribers absolutely zero to brag about. Trust me, I'd much rather buy the respec tokens. And suggesting I subscribe to get free respec tokens is pretty lame considering that all my toons are VAs and LT. Generals. What good would it do me to subscribe? Seriously. What good did it do you? Apparently not much if you're complaining about all the "free" stuff "F2Pers" are getting. Don't blame me.
Ensign
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 5
# 55
09-09-2012, 04:39 AM
sorry a bit of a long thread to read just to check if someone already gave my 2 cent:

i also do wonder if cryptic realizes that this is actually preventing more purchases than they think. take me for example, i didn't sink money into the game in a long, thing is, actually i would like to do so. i would like to skill my captain for damage and buy an heavy escort and i would like to skill my captain whatever skillset is the best to buy a carrier (and buy a carrier from C-store)

but sure as hell i won't do any of that if i have to pay 5 bucks everytime i feel bored with my recent spec and want to go back to tanking. (and i also do not want to level 2 more toons just for that, i like my current captain, my current boffs and my current doffs and it is also just to time costy for me)

i mean the solution would be easy, make a respec token into a dual spec token, buy one and you can safe 2 different skillsets on your char, buy another one and you get triple spec etc.
Ensign
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 4
# 56
09-09-2012, 05:41 AM
i too find the respec token overpriced (like a lot of things on the store).

Example 1: 1 Token for 500 Zen (a.k.a. 5 Bucks, as it is now)
I will never ever buy one of those, note even for my main
= No Profit!

Example 2: 1 Token for 250 Zen
I would buy them for my main and my 3 alts
= 10 Bucks Profit

Now I don't have a bachelor degree in economics/business/whatever BUT i do think 10 Dollar Profit would be more than 0 Dollar.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 57
09-09-2012, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by jhoengen View Post
i too find the respec token overpriced (like a lot of things on the store).

Example 1: 1 Token for 500 Zen (a.k.a. 5 Bucks, as it is now)
I will never ever buy one of those, note even for my main
= No Profit!

Example 2: 1 Token for 250 Zen
I would buy them for my main and my 3 alts
= 10 Bucks Profit

Now I don't have a bachelor degree in economics/business/whatever BUT i do think 10 Dollar Profit would be more than 0 Dollar.
I make 100 to 120 Zen per day just playing 4 VAs about 2 hours in total. So why not just play for 5 days, make 500 Zen, and buy 2 Respecs? That would only costs $5.00 out of your pocket, or $2.50 each. Next week you can buy 2 more for $5.00; again only costing you $2.50 each.

I have an MBA from NW/Kellogg and I don't need it to realize the price can stay the same and you can still only pay the $10.00 for 4 Respecs.
Ensign
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 4
# 58
09-09-2012, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by thecosmic1 View Post
I make 100 to 120 Zen per day just playing 4 VAs about 2 hours in total. So why not just play for 5 days, make 500 Zen, and buy 2 Respecs? That would only costs $5.00 out of your pocket, or $2.50 each. Next week you can buy 2 more for $5.00; again only costing you $2.50 each.

I have an MBA from NW/Kellogg and I don't need it to realize the price can stay the same and you can still only pay the $10.00 for 4 Respecs.
Yes I could grind the hell out of this game to get the tokens, but that doesn't change that they are overpriced.
Furthermore I prefer the to use the DIL as what it is, an ingame currency, needed to buy ingame stuff (weapons, donate to fleet projects, etc).
Why not make it so that both sides are happy? The ones who grind Zen Points (they would be able to afford more tokens) and the ones actually considering spending money on the store.
Ensign
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 5
# 59
09-09-2012, 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by thecosmic1 View Post
I make 100 to 120 Zen per day just playing 4 VAs about 2 hours in total. So why not just play for 5 days, make 500 Zen, and buy 2 Respecs? That would only costs $5.00 out of your pocket, or $2.50 each. Next week you can buy 2 more for $5.00; again only costing you $2.50 each.

I have an MBA from NW/Kellogg and I don't need it to realize the price can stay the same and you can still only pay the $10.00 for 4 Respecs.
if we say that 100Zen equals 1$ and you play 2 hours to gain 100-120 Zen then you pay yourself roughly 50 cent per hour. haveing an MBA i am sure you can find a job where you earn more than 0.5 dollar an hour. (or work extra hours)

(and if all that playing effort is done just in order to effort a respec than it is work, i do not see much fun in that doing the same thing all day with 4 chars (note, normal people only got 2-3 chars even possible on an account, you'd have to buy the additional))

Last edited by irrerivan1; 09-09-2012 at 06:05 AM.
Captain
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# 60
09-09-2012, 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by irrerivan1 View Post
if we say that 100Zen equals 1$ and you play 2 hours to gain 100-120 Zen then you pay yourself roughly 50 cent per hour. haveing an MBA i am sure you can find a job where you earn more than 0.5 dollar an hour. (or work extra hours)

(and if all that playing effort is done just in order to effort a respec than it is work, i do not see much fun in that doing the same thing all day with 4 chars (note, normal people only got 2-3 chars even possible on an account, you'd have to buy the additional))
If you consider playing working, then yes. But playing is just playing. Of course I remember playing this game for nearly 2 years and they never gave me a red cent to buy anything I wanted from the C-Store.

See, the thing about the FTP model is that it's difficult to do anything at end-game that doesn't earn you Zen. STFs = Zen. Dailies = Zen. PvP = Zen, etc.

You're making money just by playing. What you choose to do with that money is your own business. Maybe you'll save it for a new ship, maybe you'll buy Respecs, maybe you'll buy a new Uniform. Whatever you do with it, it's still free money - something we didn't get for just playing prior to Jan 17th.

Last edited by thecosmic1; 09-09-2012 at 06:09 AM.
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