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# 121
09-06-2012, 04:55 AM
It will probably end in lockbock sooner or later. KDF will get AMS, while feds leech. But KDF players should be probably happy. As they get better consoles in lockboxes considerably cheaper than feds paying zens for it.
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# 122
09-06-2012, 05:11 AM
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I think you missed the point of his "True Science vessel but with more hull, 4/4 weapons, and not limited to beams" hypothetical.

I read it as being disgusted by the idea that Klingons should get, not just a service-able science vessel, but that it should be more 'warlike' in ways that make it better overall.
Just seemed like the poster was whining with "moral outrage", like you accuse us KDF of doing.
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# 123
09-06-2012, 05:31 AM
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KDF posters wax on philosophic about how the developers have taken everything from the KDF. They won't mention who gave everything to the KDF to begin with of course.
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Just seemed like the poster was whining with "moral outrage", like you accuse us KDF of doing.
Yeap another Troll it seems that has joined the ranks. Don't like what they see in here? Then avoid the section. It's a no brainer. It keeps the peace for all of us.

We won't bother you if you leave us alone.
Support the Game by Supporting the KDF, equality and uniqueness for all factions!

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# 124
09-06-2012, 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by jermbot View Post
I think you missed the point of his "True Science vessel but with more hull, 4/4 weapons, and not limited to beams" hypothetical.

I read it as being disgusted by the idea that Klingons should get, not just a service-able science vessel, but that it should be more 'warlike' in ways that make it better overall.
I'm sorry, but I'm not entirely sure, but I think we're not on the same topic ATM.
I was referring to this post:

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...&postcount=115

particularly the bogus about

"Targeting sub systems. Feds do it all the time. When a Klingon was ordered to target engines, he blew up the ship. A lucky shot. I do not recall them ever extending shields. When did one ever use a tricorder? So I guess they shouldn't have any of those as they are FED staples."

And piwright42's response to it.

Was that what you meant?
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# 125
09-06-2012, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ussultimatum View Post
I fixed that for you.

Seriously, this console is possibly one of the worst offenders in the bunch.


On all the time, its a clear no-brainer choice, no effort required other than shooting your opponent for what is something like +16-20 power to all subsystems if you're spec'd into flow caps.

On top of that, it also drains opponents.

Don't get me wrong, I love running this on my Karfi, Guramba, Hegh'ta and Bortasqu - who wouldn't love the equivalent of Emergency Power to Everything 1 that is basically always on?
Let me fix this cause you did it wrong.

I dont rly understand ur meaning here.

First of all it never was giving +20 power as you say.

It was +17 power only if fully speced into flow caps otherwise it was +8

Now i recall about a month ago it was nerfed from +8/+6
Meaning that max effect will be +12 if fully speced into flow caps

You dont seem to understand for unknown reasons that if feds get leech console no matter if its +8 or +6 and stack it with +10 from maco shields they will be running full powers all over across the board and this is not good for the game balance.

If you dont understand this simple thing then it must mean you desire this OP effect in FED side.


This is not ok even for FED game balance will collapse KDF will vanish with time and game will be play FED only cause thats what we developed only cause we are slackers that want fast easy money
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# 126
09-06-2012, 06:41 AM
Either give leech console or dont give it just do something NOW!


I wanna know so i dont waste anymore time and real money on my already wasted KDF toon.


If you share leech console with FED then there is no reason at all for me to stick with KDF anymore.

I can do the same build as my KDF only that FED ships will be having more hull and shields than KDF ones.

Yeah its unfair for the KDF but who cares it seems only a few of us do.

So i will just leave KDF and all the money i spented on KDF side to rot.

And i invest time and maybe a few money on fed side since thats the side you seem to strongly favour and develop all the new stuff for.....

I require an official answer
I demand it since i am a good and loyal customer give me the answer and i wont quit the game just KDF side and i will just play FED only since thats the way you like it i will follow but dont expect me to be happy with ur decisions i will just adjust so i keep on having fun espcially with MACO+leech it will be very very funny to wiping out KDF fleets alone.

TY IN ADVANCE DONT FORGET TO ANSWER MY QUESTION PLZ!!!!
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# 127
09-06-2012, 09:02 AM
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Yeap another Troll it seems that has joined the ranks. Don't like what they see in here?
LOL- at least it offers choices.

we can read posts of "KDF posters wax on philosophic about how the developers have taken everything from the KDF" as Jermbot stated or we can read posts where some fedfans put on Airs and tell us our place and how we need to accept it becuase we do not matter as much as they do in STO

Whats funny is the fed On Airs response is just as often as ranty, insulting and condescending as the KDF philosophic tirades, and yet nobody ever seems to say anything. If they do I would imagine they'll be called Whiny.
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# 128
09-06-2012, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by jermbot View Post
I think you missed the point of his "True Science vessel but with more hull, 4/4 weapons, and not limited to beams" hypothetical.

I read it as being disgusted by the idea that Klingons should get, not just a service-able science vessel, but that it should be more 'warlike' in ways that make it better overall.
Actually, my point on that is that several times in game I've heard the desire for a Klingon true science ship (which I would agree with) but when my Klingon started to discuss it with them and mentioned the differences like only 6 weapons max, no cannons etc. At every point they said how that did not fit with Klingon style or building and would have to be changed. By the end it was clear that they only wanted a hybrid Battlecruiser/Science that had alle the positives and none of the negatives. How these same SMALL part of the Klingon players really just want everything for them and their way. And how tiring it gets to hear it.

Now if this was a Fed discussion on why they should have their own Bird of Prey I would be in it(if I saw it) mentioning that the model was something I don't think Fed players should fly around in, and there are already
Escorts.

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Not disgusted, Tired of. Tired of it becoming a more and more us agains them. We are all players, and frankly we all have to start as feds. There are more Fed then Klingon players. I do not know if that would change with a FULL and COMPLETE faction. I would really love to find out though. Point being I think there are other players like me in the game, based on reactions to complaints that come up all the time. They tire of some of it and are slowly caring less and less about it being fixed. Change the feelings and get more on board for the game as a whole and not a single faction or their own toons. Because it's easy to just think, a full Klingon faction does not affect me any more then the way it sits now. The Feds gain nothing. Or, the possible Romulan faction would not gain from it. Problem is that's just narrow minded. It does and will. A new faction could be treated just as badly as the Klingons are. Less then fifty percent of players or not, a poorly treated faction will affect the Feds also.

Last edited by kilemorgan; 09-06-2012 at 11:24 AM.
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# 129
09-06-2012, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by misterde3 View Post
Well, the two fallacies I can think of immedeatelly are these:

Klingon Tricorder in Star Trek 3:

http://www.yourprops.com/movieprops/...-Tricorder.jpg

We can also see Uhura and Chekov using a Klingon Tricorder in Star Trek 4:

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/231...3115h07m07.png

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/2...3115h25m33.png

assuming anyone wants to make some dumb joke about their performance or anything.

The second gunner that Kruge used in Star Trek 3, managed to Target Subsystem Engines correctly so kilemorgan intentionally ignored that fact since he/she obviously saw the third film.
Not to mention the gunner managed to do that with a torpedo which is probably a whole lot more of a challenge than using a beam.
Do not remember seeing the first 2. As for the third I remember the gunner being told to disable the engines, failing, then being killed. The next ship to show up was the damaged and automated enterprise. I do not intentionally ignore facts. I either did not see that or remember it differently.

I also recall the Defiant using cannons to target sub systems. An argument for making target subsystems useable for more then just beams I suppose.

Point is anyone can try to make anything their faction only, use whatever argument for it they can think of. It still just continues to make things a us vs them situation that SOME are not only going with but dragging way to far.
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# 130
09-06-2012, 11:38 AM
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Bio Neural Warhead...I don't recall a Klingon ship in the Delta stealing it. Yet they have them.
I do not think I've ever seen a Klingon fighter. Seen Fed ones, yet some Demanded the Feds never get a Carrier. It's a staple of Klingon.........Since when??

Targeting sub systems. Feds do it all the time. When a Klingon was ordered to target engines, he blew up the ship. A lucky shot. I do not recall them ever extending shields. When did one ever use a tricorder? So I guess they shouldn't have any of those as they are FED staples.

Get it yet?
Seeing others have addressed the points I was gonna kick about I'll move on to the some of us are selfish thing.

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The SMALL GROUP of you that are stomping your foot and Demanding to be given more balls while refusing to share the ones you have. Really?
Yes we would like more "balls," (snickers), to play with. At lest we want our own balls and not the Feds. A thing I have noticed among KDF players is while they say something the Feds have would be nice they seldom ask for it. One might say this is evidence that many KDF players would like to see a degree of unique game play preserved between the factions.

It is not selfish to protect novel game mechanics that could encourage others to try the other faction or reinforce the feel of unique faction play, strategies and tactics.

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You expect the Annoying lock boxes to have a Klingon only Console pack now? That's right up there with Demanding a True science vessel, just with more hull points, 4 forward and aft weapons, and not limited to only beam weapons. Want Six Universal Commander stations while you're at it? Shesh.
The only way I expect the annoying lockboxes to carry KDF only consoles is if the Feds also get a novel consoles, that are every bit as cool, of their own when they open that lockbox.

As for the super science cruiser, Nebula. Well you can only mount 6 weapons on it and yes it can mount cannons, well only single cannons and turrets but those are both cannons. Still has far more hull than any other T5 science vessel and a cruiser's turn rate to boot, (which is not a good thing). I think the turn rate limiting the ability to get SNB on a target to throw off opposition team healing is what keeps it out of a lot of PvP play.

Personally I do not want an OP ship and think I am pretty safe to hazard that most of the KDF fans do not want OP ships either. There is a certain satisfaction that comes with getting the job done on your own merits after all. I sense you could agree with that.

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Focus on making sure the consoles trades are fair. Not on gimme gimme. Getting more players to support a FULL Klingon faction. Not this horse pucky they are passing off now. Some of this All for us, none for them, or us against them mentality I read turns me off from wanting to even use my Klingon. (Yes, even more then the poor state of affairs the faction is STILL in)
Why have console trades at all? To me few things scream money grab more than console swaps. They have a bigger crew than during beta yet they throw console swaps at us as if it is content. They should have more imagination running amok as they have a larger brain trust. I would like to see some cool new ideas in the way of in game gimmicks and console swaps fail to sell that.

As for the small group of us, many Fed only players have come to agree that somethings KDF should stay KDF and the KDF should be finished. Some of them have already voiced that opinion here in this thread. One of The.Grand.Nagus's threads was a pole that asked what we as players would like to see developed next, highest percentage by a long shot was "Finish the KDF." I can't imagine that only KDF fans participated in that pole. The reality is, as The.Grand.Nagus' pole suggests, a silent majority would like to see the KDF move forward, even if it is only to hasten the addition of Romulans to the game as a playable faction.

That larger work force seems to be bent on getting the Feds happy, which I have little problem with but I would like to know that the KDF will get more resources in the future as they have more resources now. they should be able to continue to grow the Feds and start to follow through on some of those age old KDF promises and I hope they do get around to this sometime in the future.

I have said often in the early days that understanding breeds patience. It would be nice to understand if and when the KDF will get the nurturing it needs to grow beyond what we see today. The way I see it a strong red faction means a stronger game as an added source of reliable revenue is added in the form of more KDF players. Who knows a "finished," (as in not the same amount of mission content right away but enough content to do 1-50), KDF faction could even lure back a sizable amount of the rabid KDF fans that teamed over Qo'noS in the days of open beta.
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