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# 11
09-02-2012, 10:24 AM
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You could try something novel and be nice to newbies. Asking a question or two when the match starts or using even a few drops of mercy goes along way. Both ensure the next group they run with has a better player, and vastly improve the odds of recovering from mistakes.

If I can be blunt? Most of the problems I've had with STFs are just brand spanking new players that don't have anyone they can ask questions, and all the "older" (I will not say mature) players showing a need for anger management the first time something even looks like it might not be perfect.
this would work, cept they DONT HAVE CHAT OPEN! duh.
if 'newbs' had chat open, the advice i regularly spew out would be listened to. use only one color weapon... 3pc borg + maco... tanks should tank... escorts should mount dhc.... all the painfully obvious stuff i learned when i signed up for doffjobs (not even a build channel, but theyre regularly chatting about nothing.)
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# 12
09-02-2012, 10:40 AM
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this would work, cept they DONT HAVE CHAT OPEN! duh.
if 'newbs' had chat open, the advice i regularly spew out would be listened to. use only one color weapon... 3pc borg + maco... tanks should tank... escorts should mount dhc.... all the painfully obvious stuff i learned when i signed up for doffjobs (not even a build channel, but theyre regularly chatting about nothing.)
I'm noticing that more and more in STFs (normal and the few Elites I've run). It's really annoying to tell the team "Leave that tac cube alone" and have two people over there shooting it anyway. And not doing any damage to it. >.<
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# 13
09-02-2012, 03:58 PM
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I'm noticing that more and more in STFs (normal and the few Elites I've run). It's really annoying to tell the team "Leave that tac cube alone" and have two people over there shooting it anyway. And not doing any damage to it. >.<
yeah...
i dont expect people to have a good build, thats unreasonable. but i expect common sense. if you are shooting something, and your doing nothing, STOP SHOOTING IT!!! should be obvious that if you are having no effect, you are doing something wrong.
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# 14
09-02-2012, 04:41 PM
I'm a firm believer is letting someone make a mistake. Someone has to know their giant head wound might benefit from a doctor before they seek one.

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There comes a point that you have to realize that there are a lot of mental defuncts who play this game and that it is a waste of time grouping with them. Just get yourself a good fleet, or stick to eliteSTF and you should be fine.
Well, that and those that agree with that? Well ... that is your problem. That was the OP question. What is the problem? Lack of mercy.

Why you justify it or abandon hope is honestly not my concern. I've learned the hard way it's far better then to accept mercy with grace or to pass the same mercy and grace along. I stand by my answer.

Last edited by resoundingenvoy; 09-02-2012 at 04:45 PM.
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# 15
09-02-2012, 04:51 PM
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I'm a firm believer is letting someone make a mistake. Someone has to know their giant head wound might benefit from a doctor before they seek one.



Well, that and those that agree with that? Well ... that is your problem. That was the OP question. What is the problem? Lack of mercy.

Why you justify it or abandon hope is honestly not my concern. I've learned the hard way it's far better then to accept mercy with grace or to pass the same mercy and grace along. I stand by my answer.
i am also a firm believer in letting someone make a mistake. i am also a firm believer in learning from your mistakes. and not making the same mistake twice lterally in the same five minutes. thats inecusable, especially when everyone else is begging you not to do it BOTH times.
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# 16
09-02-2012, 05:31 PM
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I'm a firm believer is letting someone make a mistake. Someone has to know their giant head wound might benefit from a doctor before they seek one.
I don't mind people making mistakes and learning from them. If they aggro the tac cube in ISE before the gateway is down... I let them die. They'll learn eventually to stick with the team.

I'm not a stickler for the optionals. If we get them, that's awesome. If we don't... well, it happens. But if you aggro a cube on top of me and I end up dead because my threat is higher than yours... I'm gonna be annoyed.
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# 17
09-02-2012, 05:38 PM
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I'm a firm believer is letting someone make a mistake. Someone has to know their giant head wound might benefit from a doctor before they seek one.



Well, that and those that agree with that? Well ... that is your problem. That was the OP question. What is the problem? Lack of mercy.

Why you justify it or abandon hope is honestly not my concern. I've learned the hard way it's far better then to accept mercy with grace or to pass the same mercy and grace along. I stand by my answer.
I see you just quoted the second part of my post in order to support your argument, but left out the first half...the half where I said I have tried to go the nice route and offer advice only to be told to piss off. I was not condescending or a smart ass when I offered advice. Some people simply either cannot be helped or don't want to be.

It is possible that maybe I just had a string of bad luck with groups, however, I have given up with scrubs.
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# 18
09-03-2012, 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by velktra View Post
I don't mind people making mistakes and learning from them. If they aggro the tac cube in ISE before the gateway is down... I let them die. They'll learn eventually to stick with the team.

I'm not a stickler for the optionals. If we get them, that's awesome. If we don't... well, it happens. But if you aggro a cube on top of me and I end up dead because my threat is higher than yours... I'm gonna be annoyed.
I don't care about the optionals eithe- the rewards are crap anywayy (and in need of a revamp). I do care about completing the mission. When a guy ignores the first wave of bops at his cube, that's okay. When I tell him to watch his spawns and he still ignores the second wave, that's not okay. Especially when the raptor he mossed gets the kang because I'm looking the other way because everything is supposed to be ok.
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# 19
09-03-2012, 01:11 AM
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I see you just quoted the second part of my post in order to support your argument, but left out the first half...

Ignored? No. I just didn't see anything that would make me amend my point. I don't expect you, or anyone to be "perfect". That doesn't mean I don't know what a "perfect" response is.

Edit: I should add to that I rarely if ever meet my standard of a "perfect" response. As I said, I learned the hard way, I really do want to go with mercy.

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Let me change gears.

A) When you "correct" someone do you do so softly and prepared to spend all the time it takes? With the expectation you could learn something from them?

B) When you "correct" do you do it with annoyance and a attitude that owner is controlling the tin can over there is hopeless, and everything would go smoothly if they'd just listen to you?

See also my original point: Lack of mercy. Right or wrong, that difference in attitude is the difference between getting the show on the road and being mistake for a flailing idiot. You should keep in mind the "people ignoring" may read your message just fine. They may simple have tuned you out as a addition source of stress they don't need.

Even a hard core 70 or 80s marine drill Sargent wasn't going tear someone apart out of sheer annoyance.

Last edited by resoundingenvoy; 09-03-2012 at 01:19 AM.
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# 20
09-03-2012, 01:22 AM
getting so sick of generators being blown early even when i explain what to do that if some idiot does it I just go afk for 15 min quit without penalty and start over From my experience early generator blower noobs usually don't have the dps to take the spheres out and blow transformer in time anyway, so no point in trying anymore once they screw it up, also better to not help them get loot.
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