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Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 361
Sorry I confused some people, but in the title, I meant "Regent", NOT "Vesta". Sorry!

Hello all,
I'm looking for a good tactical based cruiser. I'm a science captain, but in my time since January playing this game, I've discovered I'm really best at tanking, and cruisers do that best. I've learned how to use a combination of engineering and science Boff abilities to keep myself alive while drawing fire pretty darn well if I may say so myself. While I'm doing that, I want to do as much DPS as possible in a cruiser. I know, I know, science captains are best in science ships, etc, yada yada yada. I agree for the most part and I RESPECT that general opinion. But I've learned my auxiliary specs give me stronger science abilities when I use them, even in a cruiser. Anyway, here's my actual question:

WHICH OF THESE THREE TACTICAL CRUISERS LISTED ABOVE WOULD YOU RECOMMEND?

Some of my first thoughts:
I OWN the "Mirror Universe Assault Cruiser" which is basically the exact same ship as the "prime universe assult cruiser"-the Sovereign class. Capable, but without any special abilities and fewer console slots. I think this ship is kinda awesome for a standard tier 5 ship, and have learned to tank very well in Elite STFs.

Maybe it's "flavor of the month fever", but I'm eying the assault cruiser refit, Regent class. It has a Lt commander tactical slot, giving me better Boff abilities, and the Metreon Gas module SOUNDS awesome. I imagine it helping me blow up Borg gateways. (Don't know if it actually is awesome, though, any first hand help would be appreciated.) The wide angle torpedo launcher sounds cool, and could come in handy while I'm attacking broadside, saving me from having to turn to fire them. But not sure if it's a quantum or photon or what, and what the modifiers are on it. (AGAIN, someone please tell me.) As for the universal Lt slot, let's face it, I'm gonna put in a science officer. It has three Tactical consoles, same as the Tier 5 Assault cruiser.

Finally, a ship I've been looking at for some time is the Tactical Odyssey cruiser. It has a Lt commander Tactical slot (assuming I put in Tactical officer, and this IS about Tac cruisers) AND the Lt slot, making it a bit better than Regent, and it also has the Aquarius escort module, which sounds pretty cool. However, I don't know if the Aquarius escort is a better asset than the Regent's Metreon gas canisters. Any opinions on this? This ship also has three Tactical consoles like the other two, so in pure DPS from the weapons, (not considering Boff abilities) I'm assuming they are all basically the same.

Sorry the post was so long, but there you go. PLEASE, PLEASE, I want to hear from owners of both the Tactical Oddy and the Regent class. Tell me what you think is better overall, and which of the two have better "special abilities."
Thanks!

Last edited by djf021; 09-03-2012 at 09:01 AM.
Ensign
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 16
# 2
09-02-2012, 09:02 PM
First off, the Mirror Assault Cruiser is the same as the prime star cruiser. The Mirror Star Cruiser is the same as the prime assault cruiser.

Secondly, the Vesta is not available. I am itching to fly one myself, but until then...

Personally, I would skip the Regent, the overall reviews of it so far are lack luster, mainly about the $25 skin and console. Stick with either a prime assault cruiser or Mirror Star Cruiser. Great ships, and cheap as well.

If you really want to hand over money in the C-store, purchase a tactical Oddy. The detachable escort is a little bulldog. The Gas Canisters are a more tactical weapon-you have to plan out the attack and then apply it. More often than not, it doesn't work out as well as you hoped.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 702
# 3
09-02-2012, 09:39 PM
I'm enjoying flying my Assault Cruiser refit. The Wide-arc torpedo launcher was worth the $25 for me. I love having torpedos that can fire from a broadside. Its a Quantum Torpedo Launcher, so that makes it even better for me. I dont use the skin or the Metreon Gas Canisters, though the effects are pretty, its not a viable weapon like Warp Plasma or Theta Radiation is, but its good for the novelty factor. Its a good ship and I think if you like the skin, and like quantum torpedos than its worth it.

If you do go the Odyssey route, the Aquarius is really good but I would buy the 3 pack and get all three console for the set bonus, as it does help. Pluse the Chevron Separation and Work Bees come in handy. Its a good ship, but Im enjoying my Assault Cruiser Refit more. (Although I love the Sovereign, so Im a bit biased.)
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 176
# 4
09-02-2012, 09:46 PM
Quick correction, the Oddy's have an ensign universal slot no a Lt. universal

I thought the Vesta had been deep sixed at this point.

As for the two ships, Metron Gas is not that great I'd avoid it for other universal consuls. The Aquarius has the same problem, it's OK but nothing amazing.

In terms of fire power the Regent is the stronger of the two choices you are considering, it's not as flexible but you can run EPTW1 and EPTS2 cycling with Aux2STR3 and RSP1 for a good PVE tank set up. T:spread 3 and T:spread 2 combined with BFAW1 and near permanent Tac team 1 will make the thing an agg magnet that still puts out good damage while dropping any near by ship with thinning shields. Just be nice and grab TSS and HE with your sci officer for healing teammates.

The Tac Oddy is more versatile and has a thicker shield, it can be the tougher of the two but that's not guaranteed. There's no point in putting a torpedo on a tac ody that doesn't have saucer seperation, it turns to slow to use it.

It ties the Regent for potential Tac Boff powers but would have a Sci Lt instead of an Eng Lt.. I honestly think the Ody can hit the better Boff layout for what you want with Lt.Com Tac, Lt. Tac, Cmdr. Eng, Ensign Sci and Lt. Sci. (That build gets over 90% uptime of EPTS3 and EPTW1 from three Doffs and runs HE1, TSS1 and Scramble Sensors 1)

If you are only going to buy one Ody get the Ops for saucer separation or the Sci for stronger heals and Sensor analysis. The Tac Oddy's extra damage while nice doesn't equate the power of either ability.

So sit down and figure out exactly what you want to do. The Regent seems to do more damage(if abusing T:spreads and tac boff powers) and get's the torpedo launcher cruisers have wanted from the start. The Tac Ody is the tougher ship if set up that way and might be able to out shoot the Regent if set up to try.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 5
09-02-2012, 10:05 PM
When looking at the Odyssey, oddly the Tactical variant is probably the least effective at what you want to do. Yes the it has the Aquarius, but in practice the Aqua puts on a cool guns-blazing show, but is so fragile and dumb that it doesn't last very long against anything serious. If you picked the Operations variant, you could use the chevron seperation to seriously up your maneuverability, maybe go for a 5 tactical/ 5 engineering / 2 science cannon cruiser. If you went with the Science variant, the Sensor Analysis does more damage over time than the extra tac console does, and with 4 science slots you could load up on Field Generators or a bunch of universal consoles or whatever. Plus the worker bees help with tanking and healing much more reliably than the Aquarius helps with killing (even if they're kinda dull).

As for the Regent, the thing has style and the torpedo is cool and the boff layout does allow you to add an APO1. But otherwise its about the same as the assault cruiser you already have. So is the real question is, is the style, torpedo, and APO1 worth $25 to you? Pretty as the ship is, I'm personally too cheap for that.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 702
# 6
09-02-2012, 10:27 PM
To those saying to use the Science Odyssey for Sensor Analysis, that should only be a consideration if youre going to be doing anything that has targets that will last to get you up t a full 10 stack of Sensor Analysis, otherwise the extra Tactical console will be of more benefit, as it is outright damage and not over a period of time.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 7
09-02-2012, 10:57 PM
My 2 cents. I'm still wanting to buy the Regent, but for the Wide angle Torp alone, Ill take that and slap it on my Tac Oddy. But, Grinding Dilithium for it. Spent too much on the game so far to Justify $25 for a Torpedo. lol

The Value of the Regent will change when they put the fleet version back up AND your fleet is high enough to get it. IF it's like the fleet version that was up on tribble long ago with that 10th Console being a tac.

That said, I have almost every Cruiser on the fed side. And sadly, Despite my Not liking it's looks, The Tac Oddy is the best of the bunch. With Damage Control Doffs, like already said above, you can have almost same uptime for EPTS/EPTW abilities with only 1 copy. (Which IMO negates the need for any Cruiaer to have more then a Cammander Boff slot.)
Giving you a LCT, and a Luit Tac boff slots. 5 Tac Boff abilities, in this DPS heavy game a cruiser with that much is huge.

I have all 3 Oddy's. But being a broadsider, I dont use Seperation. I personally feel if your gonna equip a cruiser like an escort, Get in an escort and do it properly. I flew it that way for awhile. I don't use any of the 3 Consoles that come with it anymore. I use Point Defense, Vent Theta, and Borg Uni for Universal Consoles.

Gonna be at a Dilema IF the Fleet Assault comes out with 4 Tac Consoles. With my setup, which I love. I'd have to give up a Ensign Sci, and a Tac ability for a Luit Eng. Which IMO is too many Engie abilities. Id have to drop the Doffs and Run EPTW,EPTS 2 on that extra Engie slot.
Losing a Tac and a Heal for a 4th Tac Console. But the Imperial looks nice, so Id have to.
Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 361
# 8 I meant "Regent", not "Vesta".
09-03-2012, 08:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by oneklump1997 View Post
First off, the Mirror Assault Cruiser is the same as the prime star cruiser. The Mirror Star Cruiser is the same as the prime assault cruiser.

Secondly, the Vesta is not available. I am itching to fly one myself, but until then...
OP here. Thanks for the replies so far. I might not have made it clear, but I'm talking about TACTICAL ABILITIES, not LOOKS. So YES, my Mirror Assualt Curiser is the same as the PRIME ASSUALT CUISER. In TACTICAL ABILITIES, not looks.

Also TO ALL WHO WERE CONFUSED, I accidentally called the Regent cruiser a "VESTA". I don't know why, had a brain dump. When I realized it too late.
Keep your thoughts coming, I appreciate it.
Joseph
Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 9
09-03-2012, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by amayakitsune View Post
To those saying to use the Science Odyssey for Sensor Analysis, that should only be a consideration if youre going to be doing anything that has targets that will last to get you up t a full 10 stack of Sensor Analysis, otherwise the extra Tactical console will be of more benefit, as it is outright damage and not over a period of time.
I also think this is a good point. The sensor analysis only gives me top effectiveness if I keep the same target for a whole minute. In Elite STFs, especially with a good team, a sphere is gone in about 10 seconds. And in PVP, it's not often smart to stay trained on one target that long. I imagine I'd much rather have an extra 25% (approx) DPS ALL THE TIME than to depend on 33% only if I get up to that minute long weapon lock.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 162
# 10
09-03-2012, 10:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by djf021 View Post
OP here. Thanks for the replies so far. I might not have made it clear, but I'm talking about TACTICAL ABILITIES, not LOOKS. So YES, my Mirror Assualt Curiser is the same as the PRIME ASSUALT CUISER. In TACTICAL ABILITIES, not looks.

Also TO ALL WHO WERE CONFUSED, I accidentally called the Regent cruiser a "VESTA". I don't know why, had a brain dump. When I realized it too late.
Keep your thoughts coming, I appreciate it.
Joseph
then its easy.
Tac Oddy, 5 Tac Boff slots. 6 is you also use the Ensign Uni
Regent, 4 Tac Boff Slots.

Both have 3 tac consoles, but the regent one day may get a 4th.
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