Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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Note I am NOT asking about any iteration of the Excelsior - these are the four-nacelle ships.

But, I was just wondering, in practice, how much difference is there to be found between these two? I am well aware of the stat differences (although I have heard rumors that the shield mod is not as bad as the documentation claims on the HCR). I'm thinking of picking one up, but I don't know if I want to throw $20 at putting one together as opposed to just burning off some of this mass of fleet credits I'm sitting on. While it's probably not going to be my main ship, it might be useful for RP purposes (particularly replaying some missions I'd like to for a few reasons), although if I pick up a ship I generally expect it to at least marginally pull its weight. My "normal" ships are an Odyssey three-piece Tac or a Regent.

I don't want to get both (don't want to empty the ship slots and I don't want to empty out the fleet requisitions), so I was wondering what people's thoughts on these ships were.

For reference, the toon I'd be putting this on is a Tac, and I'm generally a fan of cruisers.

Thanks for any input!
Captain
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 3,553
# 2
09-07-2012, 02:08 PM
Just don't get them. Heavy cruisers for the most part are terrible. I had to suffer one from level 20 to 30. It was disgusting. I never want to have to fly that thing again. The fleet ones are just remakes of a bad design. If you want a fleet class cruiser, just wait til you get 200k and buy the odyssey XD (yes, that POS that compared to what you already have is beyond garbage). And if you don't want to do that, then get a fleet escort. Those things are NASTY. But as cruisers go, the heavy cruiser is about one of the least useful IMO.

I would say save your money and just use your regent or oddy. Or wait til the Typhoon comes out and get that. If it comes out XD
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Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 3
09-07-2012, 03:32 PM
I have the Fleet Heavy Cruiser retrofit (I like the design) and it is just slightly better than an Assault Cruiser. The bridge officer set up is the same, it has a better turn rate of 8, and slightly more hull/shields. (It seems the shield modifier is not right) I would not even bother with the Heavy Cruiser retrofit. Why spend $20 on fleet modules? I bought mine off the exchange for under 20mil.

If you can do ok in an Assault Cruiser, you will do ok in the Fleet Heavy Cruiser Retrofit because it is basically the same just a different appearance. If you have the Regent, there is no reason to get the Fleet Heavy Cruiser Retrofit just use the Regent for your TAC.
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Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 4
09-07-2012, 03:59 PM
The Heavy Cruiser is pretty much a more nimble Assault Cruiser or at least a mash up of a Sovereign and a Excelsior. It's not too shabby, and can hold itself well. It also can be very good with cannons and turrets with it's higher turn rate. So it's very good but only if you like the design of the Heavy Cruiser since it's not that amazing.

I had an amazing experience with the old Heavy Cruiser against the Romulans, so why not get one?
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Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 5
09-07-2012, 10:16 PM
It looks worse than the excelsior on paper but there are some strange dealing with the fleet version ships and their shields. So in reality they are basicly for tacs pic between Regent and FHCR if you beam if you use cannons Excelsior or FHCR.

You can pro and con them but in reality they are close enough to just simply go "which ones prettier to you".

Unless the fleet shield thing is a "bug" that they fix latter. Not that it should be as it fixes their terrible shield stats to what they should be.
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Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 6
09-07-2012, 10:32 PM
the non fleet retrofit has 3 sci consoles instead of 3 tac consoles, what the hell were they thinking? the fleet version stat wise is just a slightly better assault cruiser, but still inferior to the excelsior retrofit as a tactical cruiser unfortunately.
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Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
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# 7
09-08-2012, 04:22 AM
The (non) fleet version will put out a little less DPS than an assault cruiser (like 8ish % or so) while being slightly more nimble and about the same amount of tanky depending on gear. It has a FLAT shield bonus of roughly 1250 so if your using mk xi shields it will have the same as assault, mk 12 the assault will have slightly more shielding.

For PvE it will do just fine and if you were looking for optimal you wouldn't want a cruiser anywho for PvE
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,063
# 8
09-09-2012, 12:25 AM
I think I ought to explain.

I'm not looking for optimal. Basically for various reasons I'm kind of looking to go through the earlier missions again, and it's either do it with my current toon or do it with a new toon, sort of to "experience" his story. As the missions scale with level I can't exactly pull my T2 connie out of mothballs and expect to not die 50 times.

However, the Regent is not something a junior officer can expect to end up in, nor the Odyssey, and even the Excelsior, rustic as she is, likely has too many crew. The Heavy Cruiser (not Excelsior version) seems like it's a decent compromise - it's not an ancient ship, decent crew size, etc. etc. with sufficient leveling to scale and fight the bad guys with a T5 ship that's not exactly a full-fledged battleship or capital ship, yet isn't something more suited for hauling cargo far from the front lines that I somehow ended up with.

Also, I own the Ody pack, the Regent and the Excel-R. The Ody Star Cruiser'd actually be a step back for me, plus I'll be seeing a T5 shipyard about the time the Enterprise-G will be rolling off the line.

That said, thank you all for your input. I've seen little coverage or opinion on this ship so I'm curious as to see what others think, so if anyone else has further opinions or more to say on their current posts, by all means, I think this is educational. I enjoyed the Heavy Cruiser (a surprisingly large amount, in fact) on my first toon.
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Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 162
# 9
09-09-2012, 08:51 AM
I have it, Its a good ship, but I dont use it anymore.

Has a higher shield mod then listed. Same parts equiped as on a dread and has more shields then my dread. They really need to correct Mislabeled stats on items you PURCHASE.

Good turn rate, but because of said turn rate I used it like an escort in the end, and at that point might as well be in an escort with more tac abilities, etc.

Ship looks fantastic in fleet skin. Always loved the Stargazer. But after actually setting up Damage Control Doffs, just felt it has too many Engie boff slots like most cruisers, So I parked it.

I do like the sound you get outta small ships, Weapon wise that is. The bigger the ship the farther you are from every shot made/takin. So sound gets fainter.

If you want it for fun and Rp reasons, theres not a thing actually wrong with it.
Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,983
# 10
09-09-2012, 11:13 AM
In that case save your money (unless you really want to burn it) and just use the standard refit. It will suit your purposes perfectly.
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