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# 11
09-08-2012, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ghostyandfrosty View Post
Even if the Oddy and other Fat Ass Cruisers could mount DHCs no one in their right mind would. (You can mount DHCs on a Failaxy X, and a Voquv... no one does it, know why?) Because their Turn Rate Blows.

Their Boff layouts do not encourage Tac heavy weapons.

Those "lil ships" like the Defiant by the way? Are fully capable of going toe to toe in canon against the biggest and baddest ships around. Because they are a Warpcore, with big Guns strapped around them, on as small of a vessel as possible. And they use Big Warpcores in those little ships. Those little ships require a great deal less power to operate.

Also? Fed cruisers? Excelsior aside, they aren't damage dealers in this game. I suggest you read my Cruiser 3.0 thread, you'll find it most enlightening and maybe you won't die in one pass to any tom **** and harry sporting Dual Heavy Cannons.

And if at the end of it you're still jealous of Escorts, Big Dual Heavy...........Cannons go make a KDF, and go grab a Vorcha Retrofit. You'll find if you build it correctly, that it can fully utilize those Big..............Dual........Heavy...........Canno ns

Here's the thread http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...d.php?t=379591

Tell you what, go get your little "super escort" and I'll get my Eng's assualt cruiser. I'll fall asleep as you flail at my shields like a lil half dead school girl in a cat fight, and do absolutely nothing to my ship.
I seee And agree but just look at the name: Dual HEAVY cannons can equip with 50 members micro shpis but CAN'T use Oddy class or cruiser class ships whf is this logic??? Its really insane reason:heaviest ships can't use heaviest weapons but distant ships can use heaviest wepons....
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# 12
09-08-2012, 01:10 PM
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I seee And agree but just look at the name: Dual HEAVY cannons can equip with 50 members micro shpis but CAN'T use Oddy class or cruiser class ships whf is this logic??? Its really insane reason:heaviest ships can't use heaviest weapons but distant ships can use heaviest wepons....
Look at the size of an AE, or other Escort parked next to an assault cruiser. It's not like we're talking about a shuttle to a Cruiser here.

Because you wouldn't use them even if you could mount them. They are terrible on ships that are slow to turn. Utterly Terrible. You actually will do more effective DPS broadsiding with even 6 beams, than you would with DHCs on the front of an oddy.

Trust me, you aren't missing out on anything there. You're actually doing more now (or should be) than you would if you had DHCs on the ship.
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# 13
09-08-2012, 01:11 PM
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# 14
09-08-2012, 01:13 PM
Heavy does not mean physically heavy. Escorts can mount dual cannons because they were built to. Cruisers were not built for battle. They were built for exploring, while an escort is a pure warship. As said in an eariler reply, do you know why no one uses dual cannons on those big fat ships that can use them? (Atrox, Galaxy-X, Vo'quv)? Because you'd essentially waste a weapon slot. Whoever you enemy is would just happily sit behind you while your massive cruiser vainly tries to bring its front around.

I just don't know what you don't understand about this... escorts were built to carry dual cannons, cruisers were not.
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# 15
09-08-2012, 01:37 PM
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Heavy does not mean physically heavy. Escorts can mount dual cannons because they were built to. Cruisers were not built for battle. They were built for exploring, while an escort is a pure warship. As said in an eariler reply, do you know why no one uses dual cannons on those big fat ships that can use them? (Atrox, Galaxy-X, Vo'quv)? Because you'd essentially waste a weapon slot. Whoever you enemy is would just happily sit behind you while your massive cruiser vainly tries to bring its front around.

I just don't know what you don't understand about this... escorts were built to carry dual cannons, cruisers were not.
Hah that was best Heavy does not mean heavy^^They made build for them hah^^ So lol what about Tactical Oddy for build or operations Oddy?Ah maybe They r just build for to be fat guy and trip on space for die by who has build for with his 'Micro' size armed with 'Heavy Dual Weapons'...Cmon guys if any weapon names are calling with 'Heavy and Dual',its mean need to mounth heavy and bigger ship thats all.If not so peregrin fighters or Delta flyer or something else at same class can be use heavier weapons than already at game too...

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# 16
09-08-2012, 01:45 PM
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Heavy does not mean physically heavy. Escorts can mount dual cannons because they were built to. Cruisers were not built for battle. They were built for exploring, while an escort is a pure warship. As said in an eariler reply, do you know why no one uses dual cannons on those big fat ships that can use them? (Atrox, Galaxy-X, Vo'quv)? Because you'd essentially waste a weapon slot. Whoever you enemy is would just happily sit behind you while your massive cruiser vainly tries to bring its front around.

I just don't know what you don't understand about this... escorts were built to carry dual cannons, cruisers were not.


Cruisers not built for battle ? Rubbish untrue

Cruisers are the Queens of battle with Battleships
The King

The defiant was defeated I'n battle by a Excelcior
Refit I'n the last season of DS-9

The defiant was a prototype and it's weapons systems
Had not been put into production for general fleet use
Watch the first episode of DS-9 again.

You could strap 3 defiants to the saucer section of a galaxy
Class battleship

Anything you can put I'n a defiant you can put 10x
As much I'n a Sovereign or Galaxy


STO has left and rejected star trek cannon and
Created there own version of it. Which denys any
Logic. And rejects star trek history.

That's why some star trek Fans are upset
And they have a right to be.......

The ships I'n this game operate nothing like what
We have saw on the tv series books and other
Games before this one.
Jellico....Engineer.....Stargazer KDF Tac
Saphire.. Science.....Ko'el Rom Kdf Tac
Leva........Tactical.....Mailu KDF Sci

JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
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# 17
09-08-2012, 01:49 PM
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Cruisers not built for battle ? Rubbish untrue

Cruisers are the Queens of battle with Battleships
The King

The defiant was defeated I'n battle by a Excelcior
Refit I'n the last season of DS-9

The defiant was a prototype and it's weapons systems
Had not been put into production for general fleet use
Watch the first episode of DS-9 again.

You could strap 3 defiants to the saucer section of a galaxy
Class battleship

Anything you can put I'n a defiant you can put 10x
As much I'n a Sovereign or Galaxy


STO has left and rejected star trek cannon and
Created there own version of it. Which denys any
Logic. And rejects star trek history.

That's why some star trek Fans are upset
And they have a right to be.......

The ships I'n this game operate nothing like what
We have saw on the tv series books and other
Games before this one.
Absolutly agree with ur every words.Tyvm!!!
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# 18
09-08-2012, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by eviax View Post
U think so...Ok come in game with my stupid micro tactical escort with ur ship challange if u have odssey class or whatever...If can get some stupid criticals with my heavy dual cannons at my 'micro boat' ship I can destroy u at seconds lol. So is it logical?Its not about respect or something else its about logic.Ofc small ships can be faster and too much turn rate from bigger ships but they cant use most powerful weapons than bigger ships.Thats the point at my side.
Did u see any destroyer has more powerful weapons than battleship?
You couldn't destroy any of my cruisers in seconds, because I know how to tank. Logicaly.


And Cruise missiles are the most powerful weapons used by modern navies, & destroyers do carry them.
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# 19
09-08-2012, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by amidoinitright View Post
You couldn't destroy any of my cruisers in seconds, because I know how to tank. Logicaly.


And Cruise missiles are the most powerful weapons used by modern navies, & destroyers do carry them.
Hah I can.It's just depends how u r build ur skills...If u have good skills maybe I can't at seconds but ur tanking will be nothing to the my weapons barrels at the end...They have really huge DPS.Maybe u can get me several times if u r really good with my low hull amounth but I'm sure I will get u too much more...It's already tested maybe hundred times thats the fact srry...

Last edited by eviax; 09-08-2012 at 02:03 PM.
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# 20
09-08-2012, 02:04 PM
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Think if u can some logical.How can't use cruiser or oddysey class ship dual heavy weapons but some micro stupid 50 members ships can use them?Bigger cannons needs bigger ships its a nature lol.
take a chill-pill m8

It's all about design. You can get a Ferrari with a big V12 500hp engine, but you can't get the VW transporter with that big an engine, even if it's a bigger car.

Escorts sacrificed a weapons slot and 2 device slots to make room for heavy cannons, and sacrificed a whole lot of hull to be able to turn faster.

Sorry, this has no bearing at all on why most people don't PvP. The main reason is the extreme difference in difficulty between PvE and PvP. That's all.
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