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# 41
09-10-2012, 01:18 PM
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brent spiners been in Big Bang Theory as a cameo and....independence day...i am not aware of anything else
Before TNG, Spiner's best known role was that of the inept hillbilly Bob Wheeler. Was pretty hillarious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMYbxR2fazA

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And this game is not Star Trek canon.

STO canon is what's more pressing here.

Every work has a canon.

Take the books of Peter David. He has an internal canon. To a point that when the shows contradicted him on Riker's middle name (he said the T stood for Thelonious, back before anyone knew what it stood for) then Peter David turned around and said in his next TNG book that Riker had two middle names.

STO can have its canon which INCLUDES Star Trek canon but which is separate from it.
Yeah, STO's timeline is just a branch off the original timeline, for now.

If there is another Star Trek TV show or Movie in the original universe, it will make or break STO's canoninity. Either STO is official part of the main timeline or just another alternate reality.
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# 42
09-10-2012, 02:24 PM
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Before TNG, Spiner's best known role was that of the inept hillbilly Bob Wheeler. Was pretty hillarious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMYbxR2fazA



Yeah, STO's timeline is just a branch off the original timeline, for now.

If there is another Star Trek TV show or Movie in the original universe, it will make or break STO's canoninity. Either STO is official part of the main timeline or just another alternate reality.
dont forget the name of the server is the what? the holodeck could be a Ent ending again lol

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# 43
09-10-2012, 02:46 PM
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What are you talking about? The question is answered:

Data is dead, the Enterprise E is being repaired.

That is the last official canon we know of. If you want to fill in the gaps from then to now then go choose your media, or use google, or make it up if you like, who cares?

If you want to follow JJ's universe then be my guest, in that universe there may not even be a Data or and Enterprise E or anything else we grew up with and loved.
First off stop being a ****, i am talking about the fact no1 seems to be able to answer the origional question, clearly data wnt on to comand the enterprise e , but if you havnt gathered theres now an enterprise f with no data. we dont care about official canon now the jj verse we jsut want to be updated on the last use of data and enterprise e moving on to enterprise f. so NO the question is not answered by the time you messaged this. fud
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# 44
09-10-2012, 02:52 PM
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And I said STO canon, no ST canon!
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And this game is not Star Trek canon.

STO canon is what's more pressing here.
STO Canon = Fanon. That's the point I'm trying to make here. STO can say whatever they want, just like Peter David (whom I love btw), but it is not any more official than if you or I or anyone were to write it.
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# 45
09-10-2012, 03:00 PM
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My god, do you not understand the meaning of "Missing in action, all hands presumed lost"?

The ENT-E was sent to investigate a starbase that suddenly "went missing" and in the process suddenly "went missing" too. Gone. Without a trace. Years ago.

Dont be a tit my friend, i clearly understand the meaning of missing in action, but i had not seen this term used to explain an answer, this question was ased and everyone could only talk about canon or not, we didnt ask that. so basically i ask do you not understand the first question.
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# 46
09-10-2012, 06:35 PM
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It's also important to keep in mind that Paramount owns the rights to the Enterprise E, as it was a movie ship, not a TV series ship. That means Cryptic needs Paramount's permission to use it in the game as well - though that's far easier to get then Spiner's rights.
No. Paramount does not hold rights to the Star Trek movies any more. CBS repurchased most of the Star Trek rights back from Paramount several years ago. CBS owns virtually everything Star Trek up to and including ST:Nemesis. Paramount retained the major motion picture and DVD distribution rights.

And to answer the OP, CBS has prevented Cryptic from delving into exactly what happened with Data and the Enterprise-E. Kestrel has some published fiction in Star Trek Magazine which hints around it.


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Data took the Enteprise-E into fluidic space and did something drastic which ended the way with the Undine very quickly. And he managed to bring the crew home.
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# 47
09-10-2012, 07:17 PM
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First off stop being a ****, i am talking about the fact no1 seems to be able to answer the origional question, clearly data wnt on to comand the enterprise e , but if you havnt gathered theres now an enterprise f with no data. we dont care about official canon now the jj verse we jsut want to be updated on the last use of data and enterprise e moving on to enterprise f. so NO the question is not answered by the time you messaged this. fud
Resorting to crude insults is unlikely to gain you any respect as a relevant poster on this forum.

The original question was:


Maybe i have missed something, but what ever happened to the Enterprise E and Data as Captain...

The answer given was:

Data died in Nemesis, the Enterprise E was last seen at the end of the film (in the special features section only of the DVD) being repaired.

That is what is canon which means from the film. Anything else is not original canon and therefore as I said to you, choose your media for your answer, you could even make it up if you like, it doesn't matter, if it isn't canon then it is an alternate universe canon at best.

That is my final answer to you, if you don't like it then fine, it is my opinion which is all a forum really is, lots of people giving their own interpretation of the facts. Shouting "My God" and calling people **** and A*** is not a reasonable way to illicit a reasonable response.

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# 48
09-10-2012, 07:42 PM
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Ah ok so there is no Studio setting a price then. Well that surprises me too because I am in the UK and Sir Patrick has voice overs on many media outlets from computer titles (e.g. one about the solar system, low budget and quite old now, maybe about 8 yrs ago) to awful adverts on TV such as the money Supermaket,com ad. I can't believe he charges that much and I doubt he needs the money. What an amazing gesture it would be for him or another star to do a voice over for a charity donation, if I was his agent I'd be pushing him to do that for sure, a real marketing coup.
I believe it's a case where he probably has agents and separate union memberships in each country which dictate what he can charge.

In the UK, he may be a member of Equity. Honestly, Thatcher's government made the whole country "right to work." Technically, Patrick Stewart could do work on the cheap in any number of places...

... But he couldn't do it in California, where he is PROBABLY a SAG member.

And going elsewhere to do the work carries certain stigmas that could give Patrick Stewart or Cryptic a black eye with SAG. Although they probably don't care as much about work done in the UK for people who live there.

And beyond that the models are different. A lot of the US models tend to discourage notable actors from taking work whereas the UK entertainment business model seems to encourage people to take more work for less money. There, an actor ACTS to pay the bills. In the US, a lot is made of keeping up a celebrity image and a celebrity salary, at least in recorded media.

So... If Cryptic were looking at getting him, the smart bet would probably be to run all of that through PWE's UK office, even if that means flying their audio guys from Los Gatos to the UK. It would probably make a VERY dramatic price difference to have Perfect World Europe's UK offices handle the recording.

Like, the difference between $100 grand and $5 grand (maybe $10 if you allow for sending the audio guys there for a week.)

The really smart money would probably be on group booking UK actors since you'd get more out of sending the audio guys to the UK.
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# 49
09-10-2012, 07:47 PM
In addition to doing the recording in the UK, it would probably pay to have an actor like Stewart primarily come in for an in development game like Neverwinter and make STO a value added side gig.

Not because he wouldn't be more valuable here but because NW probably has more money to absorb the cost of hiring him (and the title after Neverwinter, even moreso), so -- on paper -- you want the in-development game to absorb the costs.

Pre-launch games have the luxury of throwing money at art. Post-launch MMOs need to have their expenses justified before they spend.
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# 50
09-11-2012, 02:28 AM
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Resorting to crude insults is unlikely to gain you any respect as a relevant poster on this forum.

The original question was:


Maybe i have missed something, but what ever happened to the Enterprise E and Data as Captain...

The answer given was:

Data died in Nemesis, the Enterprise E was last seen at the end of the film (in the special features section only of the DVD) being repaired.

That is what is canon which means from the film. Anything else is not original canon and therefore as I said to you, choose your media for your answer, you could even make it up if you like, it doesn't matter, if it isn't canon then it is an alternate universe canon at best.

That is my final answer to you, if you don't like it then fine, it is my opinion which is all a forum really is, lots of people giving their own interpretation of the facts. Shouting "My God" and calling people **** and A*** is not a reasonable way to illicit a reasonable response.

Ok so maybe i should not have been crude as you put it so u appologies, however I stand by my shouting my god as the so called facts did NOT answer our question. Yes by now we have the answer, we wanted to know in terms of sto what happened, don't care of canon , it's frustrating wen I simple question cannot be given a simple answer, I really don't care if it's you 1st 2nd 100th answer because you still couldn't answer correctly, we arnt asking about nemisis , we are asking about sto, and as for quoting the original question I think I already know very well what it was.

So forgive me but is it really that hard to get an answer. And again I gather that by the time I type this reply we already have a sufficient answer in terms of ship and data missing.

For the record , none of my crude terms actually start with A so either read again or don't assume what I'm trying to say.
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