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# 11
09-14-2012, 11:56 AM
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Keep an eye on the Fleet Vorcha then as it flies like a big escort.
Like an Escort escort, or like the KDF escorts that turn like a Cruiser? yesterday over Kerrat, there was a Vor'cha that was pretty-zippy, but I was in my Feddie and had no difficulty staying on his six and in range except when he popped Deuterium while evasing.

I can't Do that to a Bird of Prey.

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# 12
09-14-2012, 12:12 PM
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and the weird pivot-point that makes a Raptor about as manueverable as a gimped cruiser.
Okay, can someone tell me about this pivot-point thing? I'm confused here, especially since I just started a Raptor on my Tac, and it turns just as well as any Escort unaided.
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# 13
09-14-2012, 12:14 PM
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Okay, can someone tell me about this pivot-point thing? I'm confused here, especially since I just started a Raptor on my Tac, and it turns just as well as any Escort unaided.
Watch how you nose travels to target when you try to turn. You'll notice it travels slower to target becuase the Qins pivot point is far back in its body making it turn on its butt instead of the center of its body.
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# 14
09-14-2012, 12:41 PM
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Watch how you nose travels to target when you try to turn. You'll notice it travels slower to target becuase the Qins pivot point is far back in its body making it turn on its butt instead of the center of its body.
To expand on that, it means your "Escort" is turning like a cruiser running RCS consoles (the white ones, not the purples) instead of...like an escort.

Numerically your values are higher, but in terms of performance, you're turning too slow.
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# 15
09-14-2012, 12:42 PM
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Watch how you nose travels to target when you try to turn. You'll notice it travels slower to target becuase the Qins pivot point is far back in its body making it turn on its butt instead of the center of its body.
Okay, I've seen it, but isn't it just a fraction of a sec off the time it takes an Escort to turn? I see no issues with the Raptor's turn-rate, even with this pivot-point thing.

But then again, I have only just started one.
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To expand on that, it means your "Escort" is turning like a cruiser running RCS consoles (the white ones, not the purples) instead of...like an escort.

Numerically your values are higher, but in terms of performance, you're turning too slow.
I'm sorry, but I just don't see that much of an issue.

I've seen and played slow-turning cruisers. Playing around with a Raptor, even with the pivot-point, it turns roughly the same as my BOP. (I know it really doesn't, but it's still nowhere near a cruiser turn-rate)
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# 16
09-14-2012, 12:45 PM
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Okay, I've seen it, but isn't it just a fraction of a sec off the time it takes an Escort to turn? I see no issues with the Raptor's turn-rate, even with this pivot-point thing.

But then again, I have only just started one.
The problem becomes a LOT more visible if you PvP with it, than if you go against the "Slow and steady" level-flying AI driven bot-ships in PvE. when most of your firepower is forward-focused (DHC's and the like) that fraction of a second is a significant, crippling difference-players WILL try to evade fire, Bots don't, so keeping off the sweet-spot axis (or keeping it ON the target) means a cruiser-like performance when you have Escort hull and Escort shields is a very bad thing indeed.
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# 17
09-14-2012, 12:52 PM
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The problem becomes a LOT more visible if you PvP with it, than if you go against the "Slow and steady" level-flying AI driven bot-ships in PvE. when most of your firepower is forward-focused (DHC's and the like) that fraction of a second is a significant, crippling difference-players WILL try to evade fire, Bots don't, so keeping off the sweet-spot axis (or keeping it ON the target) means a cruiser-like performance when you have Escort hull and Escort shields is a very bad thing indeed.
Hmm... guess I'll be fine then I'm not really a PvP kind of guy (I get frustrated real easily when I lose at anything).
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# 18
09-14-2012, 12:59 PM
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Hmm... guess I'll be fine then I'm not really a PvP kind of guy (I get frustrated real easily when I lose at anything).
PvP is definately where it shows. Against other escorts, escort Carriers, almost all ships except cruisers and sceince that are not hybrids it seems.
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# 19
09-14-2012, 05:52 PM
The Qin for a stand up out right pve fight is second only to the guramaba siege destroyer, and in that role under those circumstances it really can't be beat.

The bop is a whole different kettle of fish, it's a guerrilla fighter, or if you want, team supporter. The bop offers the most flexible build style of any ship in the game to date, whilst not sacrificing all of it's damage dealing potential, however, to get that level of flexibility, the bop has suffered in terms of hull and shield points.

What it really boils down to is, do you want to survive that tac cube torp or do you want to evade that tac cube torp?
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# 20
09-14-2012, 07:27 PM
Yeah the later Raptors I feel have it worse than the Commander ones.

The BOP doesn't have as much advantages as the Fleeters make out, it could do with a small buff in the Hull HP at the very least to give it a bit more armour.
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