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# 11
09-17-2012, 08:41 PM
Saddens me, seems like the only spot we have any type of upper hand fleet ship wise is with is cruisers. I mean their escorts outdo ours, they are more tactical than the aggressive warlike faction....we don't even have any science ships.

There is only like one Fleet ship I have any interest in and thats the Corsair, even then I have been losing interest in it.
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# 12
09-17-2012, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by lianthelia View Post
we don't even have any science ships.
For some odd reason there are players who keep telling us the BoP fills the science role...I still don't get that.
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# 13
09-18-2012, 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by bitemepwe View Post
I figured the Aquarius had a weaker hull for the same reasons the BoPs do ingame, Universal slots.
Except the Aquarius only have 2 Universal slots and one of the BoP means of defense is their Battlecloaks, something the Aquarius naturally lacks.

Having such a crappy turn rate means its a lousy escort and even a higher turn rate still only makes it better at changing direction ... not surviving, I certainly expected the Aquarius to be changed since as it stands its awful but its certainly not a T5 ship and if they want to make the Fleet Version a T5 ship, that is fine ... normal version should be T3.

And the B'Rel needs a Fleet version, you just dont buff up the Tactical Escort with a Fleet Version and leave the B'Rel without it.
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# 14
09-18-2012, 07:03 AM
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Except the Aquarius only have 2 Universal slots and one of the BoP means of defense is their Battlecloaks, something the Aquarius naturally lacks.

Having such a crappy turn rate means its a lousy escort and even a higher turn rate still only makes it better at changing direction ... not surviving, I certainly expected the Aquarius to be changed since as it stands its awful but its certainly not a T5 ship and if they want to make the Fleet Version a T5 ship, that is fine ... normal version should be T3.

And the B'Rel needs a Fleet version, you just dont buff up the Tactical Escort with a Fleet Version and leave the B'Rel without it.
Its one point less than the Defiant-R in turnrate with the bonus of having 2 Universal BOffs to draw upon for a more defensive build if needed.
I do not see how the low hull, which is still higher than a Fleet HoH'sus BoP, gives reason to bump its Turnrate to 20. Especially since it has a 4 tac consoles, 4 engie consoles slots availible to it and possibly 4 device slots (if STOwiki is correct).
I can understand its meant to be the faster slightly lighter version of the Defiant but bumping the turn so high may be a bit much for a vessel that will be as easily tankible as its bigger brother in my opinion.

Frankly the the Fleet Ning'Toa needs to be the Fleet B'rel variant and all they would have to do is put the ABC on it and be done. Leave its low as a shuttle Hull points and be done with it as the great squishyness of only 16k HP will be still balance its abilities.
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# 15
09-18-2012, 03:26 PM
Increase BoP top speed (acceleration can remain the same)

Change BoP bonus from +weapon power to -50% weapon power cost

B'rel specific: no +weapon power or -50% weapon power cost. Instead remove the global timer for torpedoes so they can be fired just like cannons. all in one burst.

and you will have balance restored to bird of prey vs federation non-cloak escorts.


Feds may have more tactical consoles.. but KDF players forget the cloak ambush bonus is = to a purple tactical mk 11 console. So..we do have that extra console.

(... I would add too that it is strange why the cloak ambush bonus is not boosted by one's stealth skill. It should. )

Feds may get stronger shields, hulls and turn rate..but the bird of prey retains its boom&zoom ambush attack ability through speed and weapon performance.


The fleet KDF birds of prey are quite interesting and unique. The Hohsus can easily be seen as a cannon monster and the Ningtao's 3 lt cmdr slots open crazy possibilities..even if it has the hull of a shuttle.
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# 16
09-18-2012, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by cmdrskyfaller View Post
Increase BoP top speed (acceleration can remain the same)

Change BoP bonus from +weapon power to -50% weapon power cost

B'rel specific: no +weapon power or -50% weapon power cost. Instead remove the global timer for torpedoes so they can be fired just like cannons. all in one burst.

and you will have balance restored to bird of prey vs federation non-cloak escorts.


Feds may have more tactical consoles.. but KDF players forget the cloak ambush bonus is = to a purple tactical mk 11 console. So..we do have that extra console.

(... I would add too that it is strange why the cloak ambush bonus is not boosted by one's stealth skill. It should. )

Feds may get stronger shields, hulls and turn rate..but the bird of prey retains its boom&zoom ambush attack ability through speed and weapon performance.


The fleet KDF birds of prey are quite interesting and unique. The Hohsus can easily be seen as a cannon monster and the Ningtao's 3 lt cmdr slots open crazy possibilities..even if it has the hull of a shuttle.

Purple mk 11 console? What are you smoking...at best its a blue...since you know umm feds...they have a cloak console and its a scaling blue item.

I hardly consider 5 seconds of 15% damage once a fight equal to a permanent 20% bonus to energy weapons.
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# 17
09-19-2012, 08:22 AM
The Fleet Aquariuos basically just became the fed cheaper Bug ship with one less Tac console and a slight difference in Engi BOff slots, if it gets a 20 turnrate boost.

Com: Tac
LTC: Tac
LT: Eng
Ens: Universal
LT: Universal

4 tactical consoles
4 engineer consoles
2 science consoles

with the only KDF equivalent being possibly the fleet HoH'Sus raider with its 21 turn rate

All Universal BOffs
4 tactical consoles
3 engineer consoles
3 science consoles

with less Hull points but a slightly better shield mod.

I guess the days of having to pay to compete may be arriving.
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# 18
09-19-2012, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by bitemepwe View Post
The Fleet Aquariuos basically just became the fed cheaper Bug ship with one less Tac console and a slight difference in Engi BOff slots, if it gets a 20 turnrate boost.

Com: Tac
LTC: Tac
LT: Eng
Ens: Universal
LT: Universal

4 tactical consoles
4 engineer consoles
2 science consoles

with the only KDF equivalent being possibly the fleet HoH'Sus raider with its 21 turn rate

All Universal BOffs
4 tactical consoles
3 engineer consoles
3 science consoles

with less Hull points but a slightly better shield mod.

I guess the days of having to pay to compete may be arriving.
Still prefer the Fleet Defiant

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# 19
09-19-2012, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by lianthelia View Post
Purple mk 11 console? What are you smoking...at best its a blue...since you know umm feds...they have a cloak console and its a scaling blue item.

I hardly consider 5 seconds of 15% damage once a fight equal to a permanent 20% bonus to energy weapons.
Precisely.

Also, argument didn't take into consideration that the Fleet Defiant can mount 5x XII Purple Tac consoles, and still get that added cloak bonus. So, in all fairness, the BOP is still gimpy at best.
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# 20
09-19-2012, 09:12 AM
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Still prefer the Fleet Defiant
Its still the better ship. They only improved it with the Fleet variant by a 5th tac console and more HP. Since it performs very Tanky and very Bursty as it was , it will only be deadlier in a fleet version.


I was listing the Fl Aquarius as only being a cheap bug clone with only one probable KDF counter if it has a turnrate of 20.
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