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# 11
09-17-2012, 01:07 PM
The "Queue as a team or queue as a single player" idea is as old as the trees, and still hasn't been done.
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# 12
09-17-2012, 01:14 PM
And it's not really a good idea either. Not with the current PvP population.

Assuming a healthy PvP population the best way to do split queue's is this:

Queue as a premade, search for other premades to fight against for one minute (or x amount of time), and if no other premade is found then put the premade into the general queue.
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# 13
09-17-2012, 02:26 PM
at this point, after 2 years, i'm just tired of people ********.

******** about not being able to solo it in a MMO that is team oriented

******** about escorts doing too much damage

******** about cruisers doing to much healing

******** about how science has been getting **** on constantly

******** about "leet" players who just talk trash and wave their epeen


this is the only place we get to play trek, and we ruin it for ourselves.


its a ****** multiplayer game people. grow some balls, make some friends, and stop asking the devs to change the game to cater to you. this world has WAY to much of that already, especially state side for all you basement dwellers that live off of your granny's welfare or daddy's unemployment check. (okay, that was mean. i'm sorry)

the devs can't spend time on this, they are too busy creating the next lock box bull**** OP ship for their asian overlords........so we can complain about it. (they won't say so, but trust me, it has to be an inside joke by now)

but for pete sake people, its a game. and its really not all that bad. you take the good you take the bad you take the rest.....and there you have....the facts of life....the facts of life.....

put down the cookie dough tootie, put down the cookie dough.
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# 14
09-17-2012, 02:59 PM
The state of pvp, as we all know it: nothing new was added, it's almost at the state when game was released, maybe worse since we had more maps then... It blows my mind that cryptic doesn't do anything about it. Leveling through pvp is impossible, a queue pops up in hours, Kerrat is empty - so going there resumes in doing again pve, rewards for pvp just plain suck, you don't get drops (other than, again, doing Kerrat pve), you don't get fleet marks, no edc, all you get is some pathetic amount of ec that currently means nothing and it's dated since before game went f2p. there is absolutely no reason for doing pvp other than the fun that we have. And even this fun goes away when you fight a team that either just plain sucks or is a premade. Considering this, how would be anybody be stimulated to pvp? Come on cryptic, I'm not talking about new pvp maps, style, etc, just adding some reasonable rewards would mean a lot for pvp. Exploiting the marks, drops, etc is just a bad excuse, there are afkers in pve also, and let's be honest, they get the rewards anyways in pve. So why such a big deal in not adding anything for pvp? Is cryptic's plan to shut it down? Too many players left for better games because pvp's poor state, and that's a shame.
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# 15
09-17-2012, 03:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hurleybird View Post
And it's not really a good idea either. Not with the current PvP population.

Assuming a healthy PvP population the best way to do split queue's is this:

Queue as a premade, search for other premades to fight against for one minute (or x amount of time), and if no other premade is found then put the premade into the general queue.
Is kind of the point. Theres a reason the population in pvp is low....
Doing nothing is what they have done for pvp since the start apart from FvF, and thats not sorted it.

If the queue doesn`t pop after 1 min then your put back in normal que then its nearly the same, people who arnt that good at pvp or arnt in a team will still face teams and be but off.
I think that more people will que if they know it is complete pug.
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# 16
09-17-2012, 03:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thishorizon View Post
at this point, after 2 years, i'm just tired of people ********.

******** about not being able to solo it in a MMO that is team oriented

******** about escorts doing too much damage

******** about cruisers doing to much healing

******** about how science has been getting **** on constantly

******** about "leet" players who just talk trash and wave their epeen


this is the only place we get to play trek, and we ruin it for ourselves.


its a ****** multiplayer game people. grow some balls, make some friends, and stop asking the devs to change the game to cater to you. this world has WAY to much of that already, especially state side for all you basement dwellers that live off of your granny's welfare or daddy's unemployment check. (okay, that was mean. i'm sorry)

the devs can't spend time on this, they are too busy creating the next lock box bull**** OP ship for their asian overlords........so we can complain about it. (they won't say so, but trust me, it has to be an inside joke by now)

but for pete sake people, its a game. and its really not all that bad. you take the good you take the bad you take the rest.....and there you have....the facts of life....the facts of life.....

put down the cookie dough tootie, put down the cookie dough.

I suggesting a way it can be better, not crying about it. Also im in a pvp fleet so the friends and the team is there, that does not mean you cant suggest improvments.
And as for "cater the game for you", well im suggesting an improvment for all players and as i pay and they make money from us then we can ask for changes.

Maybe your guy that pays for a meal but wont send it back or ask for them to change some thing because "they wont cater it to you?"

I also UK and work full time, so can I have a say now??
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# 17
09-17-2012, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by mintyfresh05 View Post
I suggesting a way it can be better, not crying about it. Also im in a pvp fleet so the friends and the team is there, that does not mean you cant suggest improvments.
And as for "cater the game for you", well im suggesting an improvment for all players and as i pay and they make money from us then we can ask for changes.

Maybe your guy that pays for a meal but wont send it back or ask for them to change some thing because "they wont cater it to you?"

I also UK and work full time, so can I have a say now??
When they'll get to pvp for real, if thats ever going to happen, they need to do a separate premade queue, where only premades can enter, pug Q should not allow more than 2 member from same fleet or a team to join. If they do that now though, queues will pop even less. Pug vs premade sucks from both pug and premade point of view.
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# 18
09-17-2012, 04:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thishorizon View Post
at this point, after 2 years, i'm just tired of people ********.

******** about not being able to solo it in a MMO that is team oriented

******** about escorts doing too much damage

******** about cruisers doing to much healing

******** about how science has been getting **** on constantly

******** about "leet" players who just talk trash and wave their epeen


this is the only place we get to play trek, and we ruin it for ourselves.


its a ****** multiplayer game people. grow some balls, make some friends, and stop asking the devs to change the game to cater to you. this world has WAY to much of that already, especially state side for all you basement dwellers that live off of your granny's welfare or daddy's unemployment check. (okay, that was mean. i'm sorry)

the devs can't spend time on this, they are too busy creating the next lock box bull**** OP ship for their asian overlords........so we can complain about it. (they won't say so, but trust me, it has to be an inside joke by now)

but for pete sake people, its a game. and its really not all that bad. you take the good you take the bad you take the rest.....and there you have....the facts of life....the facts of life.....

put down the cookie dough tootie, put down the cookie dough.
I kinda agree with horizon, ive accepted this is what the game will be, and what it will stay.

I'm already looking forward to the new lockboxes, and cstore ships. Why? because its all the content we will get.

And Ill gladly pay for a game i like.
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# 19
09-17-2012, 05:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thishorizon View Post
but for pete sake people, its a game. and its really not all that bad. you take the good you take the bad you take the rest.....and there you have....the facts of life....the facts of life.....

put down the cookie dough tootie, put down the cookie dough.
Tell us how you really feel. Are you drunk again?

And yes, it's just a game. A game that will die in a few years or so.

When I get fed up with the nonsense, I just play better games like Dark Souls on the PC.


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# 20
09-17-2012, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by mintyfresh05 View Post
Is kind of the point. Theres a reason the population in pvp is low....
Doing nothing is what they have done for pvp since the start apart from FvF, and thats not sorted it.

If the queue doesn`t pop after 1 min then your put back in normal que then its nearly the same, people who arnt that good at pvp or arnt in a team will still face teams and be but off.
I think that more people will que if they know it is complete pug.
If only they instituted some form of AFK check and some proper rewards for PvPing, then maybe we'd see more varied skill levels playing the game, instead of just the Dilithium farmers, experienced players, and premades.


Ah, what am I talking about. They'll never do anything meaningful and positive besides the occasional power rebalance.


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