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# 71
09-20-2012, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by mustrumridcully0 View Post
Different stats for PvE and PvP make sense to me. Maybe only players should get a special "resist energy drain" ability that limits how much some types of energy drain sources can drain their power, while NPCs simply do not. So you can still use Siphons to kill NPCs to your heart's content by disabling all subsystems, while it takes much more concentrated effort to reach that result on players.
I have to disagree with that approach... having it be okk that pve be mind numbing easy, when something is broken is not cool.

They have told us over and over that we don't make up the majority of paying players. Do they really want a game that has obviously borked things like siphen drones ruining PvE... for that matter who was the genious at cryptic that allowed me to spam 4 HY style tric mines at a time... honestly... Its hilarious destryoing cubes, tac cubes, gates and transformers so fast that all the pve kids go wtf just happened there are you cheating somehow... haha its fun replying hey no big deal I just landed 4 250k crits is all... don't you get those ? lmao

The game needs to be balanced for the health of both PvE and PvP... really broken stuff in pve is MORE damaging to there game then it is in PvP... cause well as they like to remind us 99% of the game pop is PvE only. I don't know about anyone else but once something becomes to easy I get board and move on. Or do you think Cryptic will keep finding people willing to pay for a game that is un loosable.

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# 72
09-20-2012, 09:24 AM
Maybe, you don't remember some story misions after launch because maybe you didn't look hard enough. I started a Fed and a Klingon character at the same time. Fed stories were about alot of diplomacy, exploring, and investigating stuff. Battles didn't get intense till dealing with the Borg. Klingon stories were more of revenge between houses and raid missions. They didn,'t have much stories but they did have some. The stories they did have had more battles in them which gives more XP then diplomatic missions, so my Klingon character gained rank faster than my Fed character.

In the early days of STO, there was a big fuss about Devs being bais for KDF and a lot did admit that since they didn't have much story for KDF, they gave them better ships, and weapons to keep players wanting to be on that side. It was like a recruiting tool to get more players interested in being Klingons after they watch KDF teams obliterate Fed teams in PVP.
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# 73
09-20-2012, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by alexindcobra View Post
Maybe, you don't remember some story misions after launch because maybe you didn't look hard enough. I started a Fed and a Klingon character at the same time. Fed stories were about alot of diplomacy, exploring, and investigating stuff. Battles didn't get intense till dealing with the Borg. Klingon stories were more of revenge between houses and raid missions. They didn,'t have much stories but they did have some. The stories they did have had more battles in them which gives more XP then diplomatic missions, so my Klingon character gained rank faster than my Fed character.

In the early days of STO, there was a big fuss about Devs being bais for KDF and a lot did admit that since they didn't have much story for KDF, they gave them better ships, and weapons to keep players wanting to be on that side. It was like a recruiting tool to get more players interested in being Klingons after they watch KDF teams obliterate Fed teams in PVP.
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# 74
09-20-2012, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by alexindcobra View Post
Maybe, you don't remember some story misions after launch because maybe you didn't look hard enough. I started a Fed and a Klingon character at the same time. Fed stories were about alot of diplomacy, exploring, and investigating stuff. Battles didn't get intense till dealing with the Borg. Klingon stories were more of revenge between houses and raid missions. They didn,'t have much stories but they did have some. The stories they did have had more battles in them which gives more XP then diplomatic missions, so my Klingon character gained rank faster than my Fed character.

In the early days of STO, there was a big fuss about Devs being bais for KDF and a lot did admit that since they didn't have much story for KDF, they gave them better ships, and weapons to keep players wanting to be on that side. It was like a recruiting tool to get more players interested in being Klingons after they watch KDF teams obliterate Fed teams in PVP.
Please, the KDF never had better ships. Every single one of them was (and still is even more so infact) inferior to what the Feds can field. BOP? Facerolled by the AE or FE.
Their old cruisers? Less hull and shields than the fed versions. And originally they didn't even have a starcruiser variant available which meant far far less healing potential.

The KDF, however were a PvP faction. It's players were born and raised on pvp. Where as 99 percent of the feds? /faceroll pve.

I never had problems taking down the KDF in my beloved, and now venerable Advanced Escort chassis. Which is -still- superior to what the kdf can field, and it is now Outdated in FvF.

I never had issues keeping up with KDF damage, while fielding my old starcruiser. While they on the other hand could not sustain a fire fight because frankly I could out heal their best healers, because the ships were Fragile compared to their fed counter parts.

I am or was a rare fed. Soon as I hit cap, I went straight to pvp. I didn't bother with /faceroll pve after that. You can ask TSI who always have had the best ships, and their answer universally would be, the Feds.

You could ask, the Pandas the same and you will get the same answer. You can ask anyone from the Old SOB days, and they answer again, Feds. You could ask me, one of the remnants from CAC, the answer. Feds. We were all Fed Fleets as well. And there was a reason for this, because the fed ship chassis were superior. The KDF, simply put has better players on average or used to than their fed rivals.

2 years later, and the KDF still on average fields better pugs. Because the average fed is nothing more than a Dilithium Tourist, while people that make a KDF toon, make one because they enjoy killing people. They have an innate desire to get better at doing what they enjoy, killing people.

Last edited by ghostyandfrosty; 09-20-2012 at 09:53 AM.
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# 75
09-20-2012, 09:48 AM
Take them out of the game, and give everyone that has them KDF versions of runabouts. at least tractorbeams i can omega out of...

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# 76
09-20-2012, 10:17 AM
Well, I agree the KDF players are very skilled PvP fighters but for the average Fed player they seems invincible because the universal Boffs allow more combat flexibility, the DHCs provide more firepower, the superior Bop turn rate means hitting more easily the same shield face, the battle cloak makes possible surprise attacks and disengagement from the battlefield!
Only the best of the best more organized Feds, TSI, Pandas, CAC and few others, can defeat the evil Klinguns so happy to kill the average Feds!
K D F - Killing Disadvantaged Feds
K D F - The evul way to play Sto

Adm. Marcus orders: Punish the evul Klinguns! Punish the evul HOBOs! And nuclearize Qo'nos once and for all!

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# 77
09-20-2012, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by alexindcobra View Post
Maybe, you don't remember some story misions after launch because maybe you didn't look hard enough. I started a Fed and a Klingon character at the same time. Fed stories were about alot of diplomacy, exploring, and investigating stuff. Battles didn't get intense till dealing with the Borg. Klingon stories were more of revenge between houses and raid missions. They didn,'t have much stories but they did have some. The stories they did have had more battles in them which gives more XP then diplomatic missions, so my Klingon character gained rank faster than my Fed character.

In the early days of STO, there was a big fuss about Devs being bais for KDF and a lot did admit that since they didn't have much story for KDF, they gave them better ships, and weapons to keep players wanting to be on that side. It was like a recruiting tool to get more players interested in being Klingons after they watch KDF teams obliterate Fed teams in PVP.
All the KDf had at launch was PvP and a smattering of simple missions to do for equipment.
In fact at one time the KDFs main source of leveling experience was through PvP. Its all we did all day everytime we played STO. In fact teh KDf players, at that time, did PvP so often it drove the Devs to giving the feds a fed versus fed PvP option becuase many feds stopped trying to PvP versus us evil KDF players.

So its no wonder the PvE playing feds got stomped all the time in the begining and that after a time of complaining about the OP Klingons, we KDF players saw a nerf to our PvP experience payout (we where leveling to fast versus the feds) and a slow up building of the fed vessels until poof, oneday amny of the former KDF PvP'ers I remember jumped to the feds for the better vessel choices to PvP.

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Please, the KDF never had better ships. Every single one of them was (and still is even more so infact) inferior to what the Feds can field. BOP? Facerolled by the AE or FE.
Their old cruisers? Less hull and shields than the fed versions. And originally they didn't even have a starcruiser variant available which meant far far less healing potential.

The KDF, however were a PvP faction. It's players were born and raised on pvp. Where as 99 percent of the feds? /faceroll pve.

I am or was a rare fed. Soon as I hit cap, I went straight to pvp. I didn't bother with /faceroll pve after that. You can ask TSI who always have had the best ships, and their answer universally would be, the Feds.

You could ask, the Pandas the same and you will get the same answer. You can ask anyone from the Old SOB days, and they answer again, Feds. You could ask me, one of the remnants from CAC, the answer. Feds. We were all Fed Fleets as well. And there was a reason for this, because the fed ship chassis were superior. The KDF, simply put has better players on average or used to than their fed rivals.
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Last edited by bitemepwe; 09-20-2012 at 10:42 AM.
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# 78
09-20-2012, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by starwrathforever View Post
Well, I agree the KDF players are very skilled PvP fighters but for the average Fed player they seems invincible because the universal Boffs allow more combat flexibility, the DHCs provide more firepower, the superior Bop turn rate means hitting more easily the same shield face, the battle cloak makes possible surprise attacks and disengagement from the battlefield!
Only the best of the best more organized Feds, TSI, Pandas, CAC and few others, can defeat the evil Klinguns so happy to kill the average Feds!
Except we have no trouble murdering bops when we roll to Kerrat or somewhere by ourselves too.

It's not uncommon for me to kill bops, sequentially within seconds of one another in my singular ship (now MVAM. As much as I love my beloved AE.. I have to get ready to play exclusively with that lt cmdr sci to get the fleet mvam).

The trick is to bait them, let one of them get you to 45 percent hull, before you pop go down fighting... then you kick their faces in with APA, CRF3 and THY2.
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# 79
09-20-2012, 10:52 AM
Ehi Mav...you're not an average Fed player, but a phenomenal one!
And Roach...you evil Klingun...are you copying my phrases?
K D F - Killing Disadvantaged Feds
K D F - The evul way to play Sto

Adm. Marcus orders: Punish the evul Klinguns! Punish the evul HOBOs! And nuclearize Qo'nos once and for all!
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# 80
09-20-2012, 11:22 AM
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And Roach...you evil Klingun...are you copying my phrases?
It was a rare phrase worth repeating.
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