Ensign
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 8
# 1 Deciding between T5 Escourts
09-18-2012, 01:06 PM
OK, so i recently bought a Catian Carrier and just got enough Zen to get another T5 ship. this time i decided on an escourt since both my Sci and Engineer can roll the catian and to quite well(so can my tactical capitan, but thats a WHOLE different story).

i cant seem to decide between the Defiant, the MVAE, and the Armitage. a friend of mine has the armitage and when we do a pvp match against each other i can never beat him in my T4 escourt or any of my ships for that metter. and when we STF together he seems to put out alot more DPS than i do and i even have better Tactical Consoles than him.

im not really looking at Fleet versions right now since im in a smaller fleet that is currently pushing T2 military and i need at least T4 to get the fleet versions.

overall i like the stealth of the Defiant, the Hanger of the Armitage, and the multi-Vector of the MVAE. but every MVAE i see in STFs dies WAY too fast when it goes MV, i havent seen much of the Defiant, and the armitage seems like a nice mix of hull, DPS and the versatlilty of the hanger bay.

from what ive read the MVAE and the Defiant should be better DPS wise than the Armitage The Defiant can do crazy burst with the alpha strikes from stealth and the MVAE can pop multi-vector and kill stuff fast.

i guess i just need some opinions from people that have one or all of these escourts that can compare them to the "patrol" escourt from T4. thanks in advance guys.

Matt
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 178
# 2
09-18-2012, 08:09 PM
Heres the thing, all three C-store T5 escorts rock way more than a patrol escort, their fleet counterparts look to do even more so. Each one is different, and each one is for you, depending on what you like. Trust me, it makes no difference which one you go with, you will most certainly get excellent bang for your buck.

So, which one is for you? Here's the low down on each of them.

MVAM: In my opinion, this is the least powerful of the three. But, in all T5 ships, thats like saying "Oh good, I've got a maserati, the slowest of the supercars." It's still going too be really bloddy fast, in the same way the MVAM will still deal a bunch of bloody damage too bloody your opponents with. It works well as a swarm style starship, especially with the lt. commander science Boff slot, there is a lot of potential for screwing with your enemy. IT more works best as a multitarget interceptor. Also, all those MVAM's that you see dying in STF's? Yeah, those are probably the pieces NOT captained by the player. They can be potentially frustrating, as they can easily wander off in wild directions, and die very quickly. The split is mostly used for the boost too manuverablity and weapons power levels.

The defiant, as you assumed, is the alpha volley ship. I fly this one almost exclusively, and it very rarely fails me. The cloak isn't important in STF's, but works wonders in PvP. You'd be surprised how much more damage you can get out of this than out of the others. As far as bang for your buck, it goes about midrange.

The Armitage right now, is the king, debateably (Some will say the Jem Hadar Attack ship). It's one of the few ships too make the klingons cry "OVERPOWERED!" because it is just that. It has a lt. commander engineering slot, for added survivability, and the hanger bay can wreck havoc on enemies(If you go with this one, try advanced runabouts). Some will say the photon point defense system isn't worht it, butI loaded mine up with photons just so I could boost the firepower of the console. If you have the console, and Torp Spread III the result is around 72+ photon torpedoes launched at once. This kind of firepower, properly buffed, can destroy an entire group of transformers and generators in one attack run.

Thats about it. Choose which sounds best too you, and go nuts. The only thing I can say is, these ships really depend on the pilot. That armitage can be incredibly powerful, but in realistic terms, it's only slightly more powerful than the defiant, a theory I've proven time and again.
Ensign
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 8
# 3
09-18-2012, 08:24 PM
well i prefer quantums to photons. but i think i have decided against the MVAE simply because i dont like trusting 2/3rds of my ship to an AI that is as crazy as that coco puff bird.

honestly i really enjoy the Carrier deal. the ability to change pets out and be versatile is REALLY nice. and since i dont PVP much im thinking the Armitage is going to be earning a slot on my roster. my only real concern is if i decide to drop torps and run a DBB for a BO2 will the damage be above my current ship the patrol escort. currently im running 2AP heavy cannons and 2 Quantum torps with turrets in rear with CSV 2 and 3 and TSpread 2 and 3 and i can eat things alive in STFs. and i can tank the Tactical cube with some efffort and only die when bad luck strikes me. i want this ship to outperform my current escort and im debating if the versatlilty of the hanger will make up for the lost "tactical" bridge station since i wont be able to run the same rank skills.

overall i think im going to play my friends armitage in a few STFs and see how much face i can ****. and if i like it ill buy it! otherwise its the defiant all the way.

oh, and thank you for putting the eplanations in simple terms. the "slowest of the supercars" comment made me literally lol

Matt
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Join Date: Jul 2012
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# 4
09-18-2012, 08:26 PM
All three are great ships but in different ways.

Pick the BOFF layout you most prefer or if you want PVP the Defiant is great.

I'd personally go with the Armitage because I can run a T5 Akira which is a favorite ship of mine.

I own the MVAE and with it's Lt.Com Sci slot I can run a Grav Well which is awesome for STF's as you can hold back things for a bit.

It can also carry a lot of healing which is useful for the Fleet events.

Edit: Just a note I got the MVAE long before the Armitage came out.
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Commander
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# 5
09-18-2012, 08:46 PM
As a Defiant Retrofit Captain, I can tell you buying the Defiant would be a wonderful idea.

With the right equipment, she can take a few hits and keep on swinging.
I upgraded to the Fleet version, and it is fantastic. The Armitage is not as strong. The MVAE yes, as you said dies fast when you split up, but then again what doesn't?
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# 6
09-19-2012, 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by mattn386 View Post
im not really looking at Fleet versions right now since im in a smaller fleet that is currently pushing T2 military and i need at least T4 to get the fleet versions.
Current escorts, in order of awesomeness:

1. Jem'Hadar Attack Ship
2. Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit (aka Fleet Defiant)
3. Fleet Patrol Escort
4. Armitage (Heavy Escort Carrier)
5. Defiant
6. Multi-Vector Advanced Escort

The fleet Defiant is almost as good as the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship.

Since you're fleet already has Military Tier 1, I'd strongly urge you to reconsider and get the Fleet Patrol Escort. Which is almost as good as the Fleet Defiant. For a shipyard Tier 1 ship it really stands out miles above the rest.

Armitage is good; it tanks like a mofo and has quite a punch too. Its Point Defense System is cute, but comes with a long cooldown. I wouldn't qualify it as an 'alpha-strike' ship, really.

Defiant is meh. Considerably suckier than the Fleet Defiant, and bested by the Fleet Patrol Escort too. Cloak is cute, though, and gives extra dmg on decloak (so, I'd say, buy this for spare parts, strip the cloak, and put it on the Fleet Defiant).

And the least of all is the Multi-Vector Advanced Escort. Cutesey on paper, but the 'multi' part is kinda useless.
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# 7
09-19-2012, 03:56 AM
I use a Sao Paulo variant Defiant, and love it - will be 'upgrading' to the Fleet version as soon as am able.

Also own the Armitage AND the MVAE.

The MVAE - great ship, but the MVAM is. in my opinion, of limited use; the AI portions of the ship are great at assisting you against whatever you were shooting at when you activated the console (or whatever you target immediately subsequent to activation) but as soon as you despath that target they get with with the stupid stick and fly off to chase a stick or pee on the lawn or something.

Armitage is a fantastic ship, and my second choice - the torpedo point defense console is awesome, and the fighters are great too, though they do suffer from a nasty case of terminal stupidity too and seem to like getting caught in enemy ship explosions.
And I have to admit, whilst the difference in DPS is neglegable, I still prefer the way the Defiant handles, and from a purely cosmetic standpoint, prefer the Defiant's looks (regardless of how many skin options the Armitage has) - particularly the Sao Paulo skin.

And both the MVAE and the Armitage can be a pain in the neck in the Infected (Elite) STF as you have to remember not to launch fighters/activate MVAM (respectively) whilst the generators are still extant as they can throw the 10% rule right out of the window if they're active.

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# 8
09-19-2012, 05:06 AM
Jem'Hadar Attack Ship - Best escort in the game, no doubt. Great at both tanking and DPS.

Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit - Probably the best escort that isn't from a lockbox. Great turnrate, great firepower and if you can fly it well pretty survivable.

Fleet Advanced Escort - With three science console slots enabling it to take 3x field generators, this escort has more shields than a cruiser.

Tactical Escort Retrofit - Same as the fleet tactical escort retrofit, but with slightly less DPS. Comes with the cloak.

Armitage - A good ship but it's turnrate and lack of lt cmdr tactical station is an annoyance, limiting it's options. Peregrines are only really useful against unshielded targets but the danubes are very useful (overpowered in fact). Without the danubes it's a middling ship, better than the non-Z-store escorts but worse than the fleet and other z-store escorts. Torpedo defense turret is worthless due to it's long cooldown and the damage being pretty poor vs shields.
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Last edited by orondis; 09-19-2012 at 05:10 AM.
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# 9
09-19-2012, 06:30 AM
Well, finally obtained the Fleet Defiant - and wow!

I thought the C-store retro was great, but fitted my new fleet version (wearing the superb Sao Paulo skin) with the quad cannon* and two MKXII dual-heavy phaser cannons (the STF Borg ones) and what a beast of a ship!

One query though - is it worth swapping the MKXII [Borg] dual-heavies out for a pair of the MKXII fleet versions?

* Okay - I know phasers are, arguably, less effective/offer weaker DPS than Antiproton cannons, but I simply love the look and sound of the phaser quad cannon, the phaser proc can be pretty useful, and am therefore sticking with it.

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# 10
09-19-2012, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by reyan01 View Post
Well, finally obtained the Fleet Defiant - and wow!

I thought the C-store retro was great, but fitted my new fleet version (wearing the superb Sao Paulo skin) with the quad cannon* and two MKXII dual-heavy phaser cannons (the STF Borg ones) and what a beast of a ship!

One query though - is it worth swapping the MKXII [Borg] dual-heavies out for a pair of the MKXII fleet versions?

* Okay - I know phasers are, arguably, less effective/offer weaker DPS than Antiproton cannons, but I simply love the look and sound of the phaser quad cannon, the phaser proc can be pretty useful, and am therefore sticking with it.
Don't listen too the effectiveness thing. Really, theres no evidence that has been making me wonder. Personally, I've had excellent results from antiproton, but thats just me.
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