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Join Date: Sep 2012
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# 11
09-19-2012, 07:24 AM
Well, after reading all written till now, i agree with meimeitoo.

First, I consider MVAE a waste of time. I don't see anywhere an advantage of splitting the ship in three parts. But it's only my opinion. The fleet version is way better, with possibility of higher shields, but in my opinion others are better than this.

On the other hand, if you don't have the option to get a bug ship because they are pretty expensive right now, and even more with time, I recommend the fleet defiant or fleet patrol.
As you are in a small fleet (as my spanish fleet is), i highly recommend you the fleet patrol right now. I have it and it's wonderful those firepower with a very, very high survivability for an escort, even in pve or pvp (trying to tank a tac cube in a stf with an escort is not easy, and resist the firepower of some escorts at once it's very difficult even with great skill).

Later on, when your starbase grows up, you can decide if you buy the fleet defiant or not, and you will choose one or another depending on how you play. If you want even more firepower, you'll probably choose the fleet defiant, and if you prefer staying in the fight for longer, you'll choose the fleet patrol as your ultimate escort. In any case, the fleet patrol is the best you can afford right now (if we don't consider the bug ship for it's astronomic price), and it won't disappoint you. I had the lvl 40 patrol before, and it's impressive how the fleet version improves the chances of survival even more. In my personal case, i will stand with my fleet patrol when my shipyard reaches tier 3.

I haven't mentioned the armitage yet, and it's a very good ship, but the carrier style makes it lack in other ways, so it's only a matter of playstyle choosing it or not.

As a final note, i will say: after reading all opinons, choose the ship you like most and you think you will perform better, even if it's not considered the best of the best. Good ships are made by captains and crew, not by a bunch of metal and cannons.
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# 12
09-19-2012, 08:11 AM
There are a lot of good escorts out there, but you have to know their limitations to use them well.

The Tactical Retrofit is the alpha striking/burst damage king, its the most fragile of any escort though, so beware its a hit and run ship.

The Bug is hard to beat, its flexible, tough and can dish out almost as much damage as the Tactical Retrofit in a burst, but sustain more. Probably the best escort out there.

The Armitage is perhaps the lowest damage escort but is an incredible tank. Losing the Lt. Cmd Tact is painful for offense a few ways. This is an AoE ship, add point defense and torp defense with a full alpha strike and AoE abilities and it bursts up to 38k DPS with just moderate equipment. Its the only escort that you can actively choose to hamper some defense to trade up for offense though.

The Patrol escort is the poor man's bug, its less flexible, but decently durable, and a strong attack.

The MVAE has been kinda screwed with the science nerfs. The Lt. Cmd Science gave it flexibility no other escorts had with large damage potential and auxiliary functions. Right now its just less durable and no punch.

Advanced Escort has little reason to exist with the Patrol escort around.
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# 13
09-19-2012, 10:12 AM
Personally, and I have to stress that my opinion, as everyone else's here, is strictly opinion based on play-style preferences, I rank the escorts in the following:

1 - The Bug. If you can get one, it's a beast.
2 - (tie) Fleet Patrol Escort (my primary).
2 - (tie) Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier (Armitage). The added Eng abilities and PD console make this stand apart from the pack, if/when you can get one. However, this is not an alpha-strike.
3 - Fleet Tac Escort Refit (Defiant/Sao Paulo). Alpha strikes swear by this ship, and I've seen it do some amazing things. But it's too squishy in my opinion. I consider the cloak useless in a pvp battle situation, and the quad-cannon is an energy-draining novelty.
4 - Patrol Escort. I consider this probably the best free ship in the game, when you hit 40, and it only gets better when you move up to the Fleet version.
5 - Sticks, stones, foul language, Oddysey's, and just about anything else.
6 - MVE. This thing doesn't know what it wants to be, and fails at both. I'm sure it's practical for most PVE/Episode missions and fun for lower levels, but if you're primarily doing STF's and PVP, there are much better options out there.

But again, like others have said, it's an opinion. You need to go with the ship that best suits your style of play. Escorts require a different mind set in the game...you have to choose your fights and dictate the terms of the battle, not simply Tank through whatever comes your way. Go with your gut, even if it goes against everything other people say...you can always try something different later.
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# 14
09-19-2012, 03:14 PM
well id like to get a account unlock ship. and i dont think the Fleet ships are account unlocks. if they are then ill buy a Fleet patrol. i love my current ship but i wish it had a bit more punch in some situations. i like the survivability, and i like the steady damage, but it lacks a bit of burst IMO. i really dont like the look of the defiant(Sao palo is a diferent story) and i like the versatility the armitage offers with the hangers.

honestly i need to respec(again) so going with a fleet ship would allow me to do that, but if its only a character unlock, no dice.

i think im going to sit on the Zen and think about it. i might just buy the modules off the exchange and run the fleet patrol and use the zen to try and get a galor or something. you have all been helpful and i think i have narrowed it to the Fleet Patrol or the Armitage. i prefer sustained DPS over Burst. and since i tend to aggro everything, i need a ship that can take a beating.

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# 15
09-19-2012, 03:59 PM
Get the Tactical Escort retrofit cloaking Defiant or Armitage.
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# 16
09-19-2012, 05:13 PM
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* Okay - I know phasers are, arguably, less effective/offer weaker DPS than Antiproton cannons, but I simply love the look and sound of the phaser quad cannon, the phaser proc can be pretty useful, and am therefore sticking with it.
The quad cannon got a boost post-season six, so they rock now.

I fly the retro defiant with the sao paulo skin all the time now, and use quad cannons. It is so much fun, and I do plenty of DPS. The turn rate However, the armitage is worth looking at, but the turn rate is not as great.

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# 17
09-19-2012, 05:27 PM
actually i ended up deciding to get a regent with my Zen and get a Fleet Patrol escort with EC for my escort needs since it takes my already fun escort and turns it into a better escort. IF i decide to get another T5 ship im going to get the Armitage for its versatility due to the hanger bay. overall i am thankful for the information provided but i was playing my mirror assault today and realized that i would enjoy a 180 degree torp and upgraded output alot more than another carrier cannon(my atrox uses cannons and turrets, and yes that works quite well).

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# 18
09-20-2012, 01:32 AM
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Personally, and I have to stress that my opinion, as everyone else's here, is strictly opinion based on play-style preferences, I rank the escorts in the following:

1 - The Bug. If you can get one, it's a beast.
2 - (tie) Fleet Patrol Escort (my primary).
2 - (tie) Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier (Armitage). The added Eng abilities and PD console make this stand apart from the pack, if/when you can get one. However, this is not an alpha-strike.
3 - Fleet Tac Escort Refit (Defiant/Sao Paulo). Alpha strikes swear by this ship, and I've seen it do some amazing things. But it's too squishy in my opinion. I consider the cloak useless in a pvp battle situation, and the quad-cannon is an energy-draining novelty.
4 - Patrol Escort. I consider this probably the best free ship in the game, when you hit 40, and it only gets better when you move up to the Fleet version.
5 - Sticks, stones, foul language, Oddysey's, and just about anything else.
6 - MVE. This thing doesn't know what it wants to be, and fails at both. I'm sure it's practical for most PVE/Episode missions and fun for lower levels, but if you're primarily doing STF's and PVP, there are much better options out there.

But again, like others have said, it's an opinion. You need to go with the ship that best suits your style of play. Escorts require a different mind set in the game...you have to choose your fights and dictate the terms of the battle, not simply Tank through whatever comes your way. Go with your gut, even if it goes against everything other people say...you can always try something different later.
Don't entirely agree with point #3. I fly the Fleet Defiant, and with the 'classic' Borg Deflector/Engine/Console and MkXII Maco shield combo I can take a fair amount of punishment.
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The quad cannon got a boost post-season six, so they rock now.

I fly the retro defiant with the sao paulo skin all the time now, and use quad cannons. It is so much fun, and I do plenty of DPS. The turn rate However, the armitage is worth looking at, but the turn rate is not as great.
Yeah - only started using my Fleet Defiant yesterday, but very impressed with the DPS it can put out with quad cannon and two dual heavy phaser cannons. To be honest, IF Antiproton cannons are superior (which as I said, is arguable) I can't imagine that they are so overwhelmingly better that I should change to them - I prefer phasers, and the proc is great when it kicks in too especially when the system it hits on the enemy ship is the shields!

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# 19
09-20-2012, 02:35 AM
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6 - MVE. This thing doesn't know what it wants to be, and fails at both. I'm sure it's practical for most PVE/Episode missions and fun for lower levels, but if you're primarily doing STF's and PVP, there are much better options out there.


I am not sure about that... I flyied MVAE for a long time and I think it's a good ship. The tactical boff's layout is not good like the one on the AE but the lt cmd sci boff is a great advantage... you can use GW to group enemies and then fire with AoE attack, or you can use HE3 to fast recovery hull damage. It has 3 science consoles and this help having both shields capacity and shield regeneration rate. Moreover splitting using attack mode beta you gain a lot of manovrability ad +5 engine power level... This make the MVAE a very good ship for pve because you can have a lot of dps and great resistance and manovrability (more than tactcal escort retrofit).


However if you want more dps than you need a different tactical boffs layout, my favorite is the one used in AE... it is a good balance because I can use both CRF2 and CRF3 and still use also APO1... Finally AE+multivector console is better than MVAE (or AE).


notice that harmitage has the same tactical boffs layout of MVAE... and I do not think it's better or worst than MVAE... only different: harmitage has a hangar and a ensign eng slot, while MVAE has the console and a sci cmd ability.


If the fleet AE had the same boffs layout of MVAE I have no doubt about the final escort for my tactical toon.
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# 20
09-20-2012, 08:51 AM
I have all the T5 escorts.

MVE is the best IMHO. The ability to gravity well and do crowd control easily offsets the advantages the other escorts have.

I can tank with it and deal a lot of DPS using phasers for the quad cannon, DHC, dbb, and quantum torpedo with three turrets on the back.

I use the same BOFF setup as the armitage and can do similar things with them. I don't like the armitage because the hangar refresh is twice as long as a two hangar carrier. Since you can't spam the pets when they die, the ability is kind of a waste since the only crowd control measure you have is eject warp plasma.

I like the standoff capability that GW provides and since the MVE and the HEC have the same boff layout..I prefer the MVE.

Defiant is good but doesn't have any special abilities. I would rather take the fleet patrol escort than a defiant...but if you want the fleet defiant...the reduced cost from getting the defiant z store variant may be enough to tip the scales in favor of the defiant.

Cheers

Edit: Is the fleet advanced escort a fleet version of the MVE?
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