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# 21
09-23-2012, 01:48 PM
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I don't really see the point in one of those oversized mirror universe bops. What I have seen in the shows they seem to be same size as a Hegh'ta.
As cannon boats, the turnrate is important. How could the supersized mu versions ever hope to keep a target in front of them ?
I would like to see it as c-store ship first. With a 3+2 weapon layout, and unique super heavy disruptor guns, basically combining the stats of 2 dhc to make up for the loss of one gunslot.
Instead, it should get one more tac console over the Hegh'ta.
The fleet version then gets the usual extra HP and the 4th forward weapon slot, instead of another console.
Tada, Feds get 5 tac consoles escort, Klingons get basically a 5 forward weapon ship. (If you count the unique gun as two guns)
HP and turnrate somewhere between Qin and Hegh'ta.
Mirror...what...?

They didn't appear in any Mirror Universe episode so what...what do you mean by that?

Besides they appeared in several prime universe episodes and even gave the Romulans reason to darken their pants in "The Defector".
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# 22
09-23-2012, 02:02 PM
Make the K'Vort a raptor. Tougher, but still an escort at heart.
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# 23
09-25-2012, 05:50 PM
The K'Vort is another BoP just different class a lot like the B'rel class with 2 cannons instead of 1 on each wing tip.

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/K%27vort_class
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# 24
09-26-2012, 02:01 AM
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The K'Vort is another BoP just different class a lot like the B'rel class with 2 cannons instead of 1 on each wing tip.

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/K%27vort_class
I think we all know what it looks like.

There are several things I'd like to say regarding the source you linked to.
1. Whoever copied those stats over from the DS9 Manual was unable to read them properly as they state 4 disruptors and 2 torpedo launcher in the book.

2.The DS9TM is terribly inaccurate on several ships.
Nebula is too small, Excelsior too big, Akira has supposeldy only 2 torpedo launchers, Saber supposedly has the exact same dimensions as the Norway and the K't'inga is too big.

3.The K'vort has also been proven to be much smaller than 600+ meters and the DS9TM is the only source I know where this size comes up.
The only time they ever appeared to be this big was in "The Defector", but Suricata reconstructed the scene with CGI and the K'vort has a length of about 350m:

http://www.suricatafx.com/?p=274

So what's left to say?
Well the armament in the DS9TM, if we accept it as it is for the moment, only lists that the K'vort is armed with disruptors and torpedo launchers.
This is about as informative as stating the Iowa and Yamato were both armed with 9 naval guns.
It tells us nothing about their range, their firepower or their scale.

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# 25
09-26-2012, 05:42 AM
Make it a Raptor Battle Cruiser Hybrid with a good turnrate, inertia rating, 4 forward/3 back weapons, BC hull and shields and at least 2 Universal BOffs of some type.
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# 26
09-30-2012, 12:36 PM
As far as I'm concerned it's just a bird of prey. Bit bigger and meaner, that's all. No reason to turn it into a raptor or battlecruiser.
Bit more hull, bit less turning compared to a Hegh'ta. Done. Yes, I want a battlecloak.
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# 27
09-30-2012, 03:51 PM
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As far as I'm concerned it's just a bird of prey. Bit bigger and meaner, that's all. No reason to turn it into a raptor or battlecruiser.
Bit more hull, bit less turning compared to a Hegh'ta. Done. Yes, I want a battlecloak.
bit less...what fits the definition of that? turn of 18, 19 maybe? That edges down into Raptor territory, so fiddle the consoles a bit-ripping from the Hose-us, unbalance the console layout. currently BoPs are kind of a mix of sci ship and escort, while Raptors mix traits between light cruisers and escorts. Going with that meme, give it 3 Sci, 4 eng, 3 Tactical, with the same layout of universal BoFFs you get in the Fleet Norgh (1 Commander U, 2 LTC, 1 LT). For hull, a base of 26,000 with a shield mult. of .8-it'll play like a normal BoP (kind of gimped on turn radius, but oh well) but tougher and potentially meaner, while still being gimped against the Fedscorts, FedCruisers, and FedScis-a requirement, it seems, for KDF ships in general.

Oh, and keep the same Weps. layout-4 front, 2 rear. figure base crew of 125 to 150.

result ends up being a "Cruiser BoP",but instead of taking worst from both, it takes best...

Pricing? maybe 3k Zen is fair, but if a Zen ship, then an appropriate Uni console is needed. Maybe APD?
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# 28
09-30-2012, 06:32 PM
Cruiser BoP hybrid.
That would make sense given its appearance.

With a modest turnrate of 17 (19 seeming bit high to me) doesnt that make more nimble than a strike ship like the Qin?
Does that mean its a light craft or that the Qin possobly needs to have a hogher turn of 17and possibly the hybrid should have the 15.
Considering the hybrid layout to be a battle cruiser & BoP merging.
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# 29
10-01-2012, 10:46 AM
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Cruiser BoP hybrid.
That would make sense given its appearance.

With a modest turnrate of 17 (19 seeming bit high to me) doesnt that make more nimble than a strike ship like the Qin?
Does that mean its a light craft or that the Qin possobly needs to have a hogher turn of 17and possibly the hybrid should have the 15.
Considering the hybrid layout to be a battle cruiser & BoP merging.
Considering how raptors handle (not just rate, but pivot), their layouts, and such, the K'Vort's going to have a lower hull and a higher turn rate, while a Raptor's going to be bringing more guns to the party with a higher base DPS, slowing the "big" Bird of Prey down isn't a good option-a turn of 15 puts it on the same turn rate as a Qin, with fewer guns to bring to bear and a lower potential damage per gun, thinner hull, and weaker shields.
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# 30
10-01-2012, 12:39 PM
In "Yesterday's Enterprise" and "Rascals", two K'vorts defeated the Enterprise-D.

In STO, three standard BoPs will hardly scratch a Galaxy cruiser.


So I think the Raptor design - more durable and hard-hitting, but slower to turn - would work best. Especially since the K'vorts in canon weren't very maneuverable.
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