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# 11
09-22-2012, 03:05 PM
i still think its hilerious that a ship thats 30+ years old is the best in the game.

yes i know the excelsior is older but at least you can pretend its been updated through out time, the bug ship hasnt. it was here 30 years ago then it wasnt. the whole "displaced" from time thing and what-not.
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# 12
09-22-2012, 03:26 PM
What makes the bug a powerful ship is its high impulse mod and turn. That's the ONLY thing that really matters in regards to bug. And it's more than enough to make it uber escort. I think best bug spray is tons of target engines and vm(which can be only fixed by dual battery if you also keep deuterium Edit: only an engine bat is inefficient IMO since you need max aux every now and then to heal fast). Even w/o subnuke. Subnuke is the ultimate killer for any ship anyways, lol. I personally run full omega in the bug, 2 apo and ph, the only way ill die in a ballanced fight (except pilot errors of course and surely to a better pilot) is to loose engine power. Otherwise, due to high impulse w evasives and deuterium at full engine power, only another bug can catch me. Not even thinking to use the 2 or 3 Borg set or rsp... Not worth IMO for the bug.
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# 13
09-22-2012, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by alexindcobra View Post
When are the Devs going to Balance out the powers of the Lockbox ships? The Jem'Hadar ship take the cake when it come to power. It should be on par with the Difiant class but they gave it way more power so it is able to out sustain other ships in firepower, shield power, and in engine power. With the borg, console setup with MACO shield, the Jem'bug is vertually indestructable. If you have players running around in PVP Indestructable then the game is broken because what is the point of playing against somebody you cant destroy. These player know that they cant be killed because they can out run everybody and come back and destroy everyon before he has to run again, so now you have created game bully's who harras everybody who can't destroy him, even in War Zone.
If they made Fleet ships, that some fleets are charging people to buy from them for what, 5-10mill as good as what is currently the only escort in the game lockboxwise, then nobody would pay to get their hands on them.

The last study I saw from extensive testing, says it costs on adverage ?154 ($250) per lockbox ship to drop ingame. If the ship wasen't special then few people would want it. Sure, many would to own it, but PVPers in most cases take ability over looks. The Tuffli is pretty rare, but you don't see it in PVP because it's ****.

If it was rubbish - PVPers wouldn't fly them in PVP.
If it was rubbish - fewer would sell, Cryptic makes less money.

How is this hard to understand after all the "OMG it's OP make it go away please/scambox threads
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# 14
09-22-2012, 05:21 PM
Well, they where far more OP before season 6, other escorts had less turn rate, and remember the times of no-stacking field gens, the jem'hadar had too much advantage. Today the gap with other ships is smaller, other ships can have better shields stacking field gens, and they have a little more turn rate than before
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# 15
09-22-2012, 07:32 PM
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The bug ship only has a small hull and shield buff compared to the fleet ships.
Use the Borg Consoles and MACO Shield and your hull and shield will regenerate like crazy.
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# 16
09-22-2012, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by trueprom3theus View Post
What makes the bug a powerful ship is its high impulse mod and turn. That's the ONLY thing that really matters in regards to bug. And it's more than enough to make it uber escort. I think best bug spray is tons of target engines and vm(which can be only fixed by dual battery if you also keep deuterium Edit: only an engine bat is inefficient IMO since you need max aux every now and then to heal fast). Even w/o subnuke. Subnuke is the ultimate killer for any ship anyways, lol. I personally run full omega in the bug, 2 apo and ph, the only way ill die in a ballanced fight (except pilot errors of course and surely to a better pilot) is to loose engine power. Otherwise, due to high impulse w evasives and deuterium at full engine power, only another bug can catch me. Not even thinking to use the 2 or 3 Borg set or rsp... Not worth IMO for the bug.
What about the bug with the borg console and Maco shield? My nemesis''s main setup is that. I can't do anything to him. That autonimus regen makes him heal as fast as a cruiser. I can shoot his Engines all day but it won't stop him from tearing me up with his cannon vollies. That Borg /MACO setup will turn most escorts into juggernaughts, especially the Bug.
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# 17
09-22-2012, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by aquitaine985 View Post
If they made Fleet ships, that some fleets are charging people to buy from them for what, 5-10mill as good as what is currently the only escort in the game lockboxwise, then nobody would pay to get their hands on them.

The last study I saw from extensive testing, says it costs on adverage ?154 ($250) per lockbox ship to drop ingame. If the ship wasen't special then few people would want it. Sure, many would to own it, but PVPers in most cases take ability over looks. The Tuffli is pretty rare, but you don't see it in PVP because it's ****.

If it was rubbish - PVPers wouldn't fly them in PVP.
If it was rubbish - fewer would sell, Cryptic makes less money.

How is this hard to understand after all the "OMG it's OP make it go away please/scambox threads
I call BS, because people will fly whatever they feel like flying as long as its as good as the other ships in PVP. I have seen People battle with Freighters, shuttles, and with Alien ship skins. There were no bonuses before the Lockbox crap. Speak for yourself if you think nobody will buy an alien ship just if it doesn beat all other ships in performance. If you only buy ships if you think its an "I win" ship, then that is your problem.
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# 18
09-22-2012, 08:02 PM
There needs to be competing setups, not competing ships, because setups can be interchanged between ships if the players see fit. You can't change a ships natural advantages to another ship if you don like the looks of the one you have.
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# 19
09-22-2012, 09:07 PM
now that i have taken the time to theory craft some recluse builds......

everyone here should be crying foul on that ship too.

the bug has less spike potential then the fleet defiant, but is more defensive and agile.

same old tired argument.

you wanna call something out, how about the healing in this game. ive seen some downright retarded healing numbers lately. in this pug the other day, crimson healed for like 2.7 mil. no other damage or healing number was over 500k.

now he is a great pilot, but if given the right tools, all good pilots can achieve such success.

have fun kill bad guys
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# 20
09-22-2012, 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by alexindcobra View Post
I call BS, because people will fly whatever they feel like flying as long as its as good as the other ships in PVP. I have seen People battle with Freighters, shuttles, and with Alien ship skins. There were no bonuses before the Lockbox crap. Speak for yourself if you think nobody will buy an alien ship just if it doesn beat all other ships in performance. If you only buy ships if you think its an "I win" ship, then that is your problem.
Yeah... read my post again, I didn't say that.
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