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# 1 Combat Cloak
09-23-2012, 12:23 AM
I don't know what has been happening during the patches but lately while fighting KDF in PVP Birds of Prey have be cloaking while I was blasting them and didn't get hurt by late cannon bolts hitting them. Now, I know that in Star Trek canon world that wouldn't happen. How the Combat Cloak happens in Star Trek is that it allows you to cloak while the ship is at "Alert" status and a small window that you are not being fired upon. If you take any hits while cloaking you would get critical damage dealt to your ship or destroyed. Just watch "Undiscovered Country" and "Generations." The one torpedo that was modified to detect emissions hit the Bird of Prey so hard that it knocked it out of cloak mode. 75 years later, torpedos have been made with higher yield and one fired from the Enterprise-D completely destroyed the Bird of Prey.

In STO, the DEVs need to make the shield drop simultaneously while cloaking just like in the show and movies. They should penalize players who use it while taking fire as to if they get hit by late torpedos, beam rays, or cannons volleys while cloaking then there ship will recieve massive damage to their hull because the shield is down.

Example #1: If Klingon player fire torpedos then recloaks, repeating same of attack, and when I lock on to him as he decloaks firing my full torpedo, he recloaks and the late spread hits him, he should be dealt full damage that torpedo spread yields on bare hull.

Example#2: If Klingon player battle with me toe to toe then feels that I am getting the best of him so he Cobat Cloaks right in the middle of my heavy cannon volleys then he should receive the full damage dealt by heavy cannon volleys on bare hull.

Example #3: If Klingon player is being fired on by my phaser beams and decides to cloak while i'm firing at him he should have one of his subsystems disabled and receive full damage dealt by phaser beams to bare hull.

Also flying around while cloaked is supposed to be a massive power drain on the ship so you shouldn't be flying around at max speed while cloaked.

Last edited by alexindcobra; 09-23-2012 at 12:26 AM.
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# 2
09-23-2012, 01:12 AM
Shields *do* drop instantaneously when cloak is activated and, even though there is no evidence to support it, it does feel alot more likely that if you get hit while cloaking you are far more likely to get critted.

It's not like you can just hit cloak while being fired upon and be ok, it's a very difficult skill to master. It takes a great deal of knowledge and experience to know how and when to hit cloak in a situation that will leave you alive on the end. SKills like a high auxiliary PH before cloaking BFI etc all increase your chances of surviving. Bear also in mind that cloaking adds a bonus to defence value, so on top of being already evasive, the bop when cloaking is difficult to hit, so alot of shots actually miss, despite the graphic. Breaking arcs in also necessary in some cases.
Oh, and don't bother trying to quote canon in the pvp subforum, it only hurts your case in here.


TL;DR
You *do* take full damage for hits you recieve when cloaking. It takes alot of skll/knowhow to achieve a combat cloak under fire.
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# 3
09-23-2012, 02:56 AM
Just remember that when a Bird of Prey activates battle cloak, not only does its shields go down, but its defense goes up to compensate... other wise you'd always get vaped when using BC under fire. If you have Subspace Modulator and AP:O up (and Evasives Maneuvers) your Defense is going to be pretty much maxed out. There's also plenty of things to do about your hull while cloaking, like putting up BFI and/or Polarize Hull, just like Trainor said. Switching to aux bias usually is handy, as it greatly improves you stealthiness.

Last edited by corsair114; 09-23-2012 at 02:59 AM.
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# 4
09-23-2012, 01:16 PM
I don't give a rat's behind, how much the defense rating goes up. if 5 or 6 torpedos explode around you and you have no shields up, you should not come back unscathed. If I would of thought that this was a bug I would of made a bug report, but I know this is intended and its wrong. I will quote Star Trek canon as long as I'm a Star Trek fan and thats not going to change. That is what this game is supposed to follow. Just because you go invisible don't mean you become invincible. Things just don't pass through like you are a ghost. Devs went way out of there why to make things easy for KDF. I seen many players exploiting this combat cloak to come in an out of battle but when they come back they are unscathed and fully capable. Defense rating should only apply to targeting systems not physical matter itself. If the torpedos already about to hit you, and you cloak, the torpedo shouldn't miss you because it can't see, especially if you still in the same spot. Bolts from cannons and beams, if already left the gun, then they will hit , because you don't move faster than light. Defense need to be revamped for the cloaking if that how the game has been going.

Last edited by alexindcobra; 09-23-2012 at 08:03 PM.
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# 5
09-23-2012, 01:29 PM
The torpedoes *do* hit a cloaker.

If you'd read any of what was posted you'd know that anything that is fired up until you lose sight of the cloaker is rolling the calculations in the same way it would were they not cloaking. Because they didn't explode when you looked at them, doesn't mean that you didn't hit.
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# 6
09-23-2012, 01:47 PM
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~Snip~ Devs went way out of there why to make things easy for KDF. ~Snip~
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# 7
09-23-2012, 01:54 PM
If the BoP is smart they are boosting there hill resists as they cloak so they can survive the process in battle.
Its a skill all BoP pilots learn eventually.
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# 8
09-23-2012, 02:00 PM
May I correct the statement?

Devs went way out of there why to make things VERY easy for KDF.

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# 9
09-23-2012, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by alexindcobra View Post
I don't know what has been happening during the patches but lately while fighting KDF in PVP Birds of Prey have be cloaking while I was blasting them and didn't get hurt by late cannon bolts hitting them. Now, I know that in Star Trek canon world that wouldn't happen. How the Combat Cloak happens in Star Trek is that it allows you to cloak while the ship is at "Alert" status and a small window that you are not being fired upon. If you take any hits while cloaking you would get critical damage dealt to your ship or destroyed. Just watch "Undiscovered Country" and "Generations." The one torpedo that was modified to detect emissions hit the Bird of Prey so hard that it knocked it out of cloak mode. 75 years later, torpedos have been made with higher yield and one fired from the Enterprise-D completely destroyed the Bird of Prey.

In STO, the DEVs need to make the shield drop simultaneously while cloaking just like in the show and movies. They should penalize players who use it while taking fire as to if they get hit by late torpedos, beam rays, or cannons volleys while cloaking then there ship will recieve massive damage to their hull because the shield is down.

Example #1: If Klingon player fire torpedos then recloaks, repeating same of attack, and when I lock on to him as he decloaks firing my full torpedo, he recloaks and the late spread hits him, he should be dealt full damage that torpedo spread yields on bare hull.

Example#2: If Klingon player battle with me toe to toe then feels that I am getting the best of him so he Cobat Cloaks right in the middle of my heavy cannon volleys then he should receive the full damage dealt by heavy cannon volleys on bare hull.

Example #3: If Klingon player is being fired on by my phaser beams and decides to cloak while i'm firing at him he should have one of his subsystems disabled and receive full damage dealt by phaser beams to bare hull.

Also flying around while cloaked is supposed to be a massive power drain on the ship so you shouldn't be flying around at max speed while cloaked.
First thing, they could simply be placating with KHG procs, and then using that opportunity to Battlecloak while the jam effect is up. There is nothing wrong with doing this of course, (other than the KHG proc is stupid to begin with) and really it's pretty much the only -safe- way to battlecloak mid combat against light coverage. (ie one person shooting you or maybe 2)

Second no one cares about ST Canon references. Weapons in particular in trick vary from OMG SUPER WEAPON to... Feather duster. The only thing that matters is balance.

the shield DOES get pantsed instantly when you go to cloak, or when you come out you are also vulnerable for 2 seconds before the shields raise.

Your torps probably missed in example1. That or you're relying on Torp SPread to do the job of High Yield. It's quite possible he simply survived the shot.

2: If your Cannon Volleys are so weak that the kdf feels confident enough to cloak right infront of you, then you need to re examine your build. Secondly if this is the case I also suspect the only reason he's cloaking is because his ambush failed to vaporize you in the first opening seconds. Or he already used his best buffs on someone else.

3: Phasers have a proc that can do that. It's really funny watching someone try to cloak when it procs their aux off.. because they can't.

4: there is this thing called Defense Score. It's how a ship lives and dies in combat. You can Miss in sto.

5: The bop is a piece of Crap of a ship. Period. Anything it does I can name 4 ships that do it better. Actually that general rule applies to the KDF in general with cloaking ships, save the Fleet Vorcha which is the best dps escort (to the point that it even gains the fragility of an Escort) the kdf has and it's a Cruiser.
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# 10
09-23-2012, 02:02 PM
When I cloak I hit either or and sometimes combos of
- Brace for impact
- Polarized Hull
- Hazard Emitters
- Sub Space Mod
- Engi Team to recover hull after the first few hits

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