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# 11
09-23-2012, 08:25 AM
One of the balancing factors associated with the power of ultra-rare doffs was just that; their rarity. Given the extreme manner in which they've proliferated, and at such affordable prices (by PvP standards), I'd say this has gotten completely out of hand.

My proposal (which Cryptic probably wouldn't go for) would be to simply delete every single SNB doff from the game, and compensate everyone who bought one to the tune of 50m EC. I'd personally loose quite a bit of money that, and do appreciate the power of having three of the bloody things, but they're simply too good when deployed en masse as they are now.
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# 12
09-23-2012, 08:51 AM
for goodness sake... learn what a science team is...

Example: flying around in my escort, power up a could of things for a damage run (note not everything and certainly not tac team) get sub nuked, "Oh no... I've been sub nuked" hit the sci team, use the subspace jumper (of you have one) and alpha strike.

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# 13
09-23-2012, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by adamkafei View Post
for goodness sake... learn what a science team is...

Example: flying around in my escort, power up a could of things for a damage run (note not everything and certainly not tac team) get sub nuked, "Oh no... I've been sub nuked" hit the sci team, use the subspace jumper (of you have one) and alpha strike.

PROBLEM SOLVED!
Wow you aren't very smart are you there champ.

Sci team doesn't undo the most damning part of SNB. Buff Removal.
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# 14
09-23-2012, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by adamkafei View Post
for goodness sake... learn what a science team is...

Example: flying around in my escort, power up a could of things for a damage run (note not everything and certainly not tac team) get sub nuked, "Oh no... I've been sub nuked" hit the sci team, use the subspace jumper (of you have one) and alpha strike.

PROBLEM SOLVED!
No, that works with SNB. The SNB doff is a version of the Energy Weapons Officer. It doesn't actually apply anything to you that can be cleared. It simply removes your active buffs everytime it procs. As someone worked out, a team of 5 with 3 SNB DOFFs each will proc once every 8 seconds or so. Using sci team when this happens will do nothing but heal your shields.
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# 15
09-23-2012, 10:08 AM
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Using sci team when this happens will do nothing but heal your shields.
Agreed, and for all of three seconds under that kind of concentrated fire and a lack of buffs. Sci team would be worthless even if it wasn't on cooldown, don't forget that Tac Team and Engineering team find their way into a lot of builds as well. It's crazy how powerful this proc is, if an energy type had it(even at 0.5%,that'd still be a 3.5% per second proc rate) I couldn't imagine running anything else.
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# 16
09-23-2012, 10:09 AM
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No, that works with SNB. The SNB doff is a version of the Energy Weapons Officer. It doesn't actually apply anything to you that can be cleared. It simply removes your active buffs everytime it procs. As someone worked out, a team of 5 with 3 SNB DOFFs each will proc once every 8 seconds or so. Using sci team when this happens will do nothing but heal your shields.
Ok, I stand corrected, my apologies
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# 17
09-23-2012, 11:10 AM
Sci team dosen't help... The doff remove all your buff's and the Sci Team to. The only difference is, a regular SNB give you a Time count on your ability's. The SNB doff SNB do not that.
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# 18
09-23-2012, 11:23 AM
Won't be a big deal having only one in a team with them, but when you play premade all with subnuc doffs, that's really fun breaking... Even though their proc had been reduced, to .5, they are still pretty stupid to begin with, the only other counter is for you to equip them, which I'll probably end up doing as long as I keep playing this game that pvp-wise, gets worse and worse by the moment. Seriously, as long as the game designers do things like that with pve in mind, things just can't get better in pvp, and even if dstahl doesn't plan on revamping pvp, at least he could try not to break it worse than it is, and to consider the negative effects some of the newly introduced features in the game can totally screw up pvp. To be honest, I don't even know why should somebody use subnuc doffs in pve... that's just not necessary...
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# 19
09-23-2012, 11:54 AM
I was thinking myself if this has the effect described to me it's not worth having in pve however if it's ok in a single case I should imagine cryptic would have left it alone as they are Vrare they would be few and far between and thus teams of 5 with max each would be a rarity at best, however if it has the potential to break any aspect of the game I agree with those who fight it
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# 20
09-23-2012, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by adamkafei View Post
I was thinking myself if this has the effect described to me it's not worth having in pve however if it's ok in a single case I should imagine cryptic would have left it alone as they are Vrare they would be few and far between and thus teams of 5 with max each would be a rarity at best, however if it has the potential to break any aspect of the game I agree with those who fight it
Cool and yeah, their rarity is what always kept them in check. However, they are now coming out of lockboxes at a fairly steady rate and their price on the exchange has dropped from 200mil to about 20. This has already led to encountering such teams in the queues.
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