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# 1 Armitage vs Dreadnaught
09-23-2012, 01:12 PM
Hi Everyone;

So this isn't quite as simple as dread vs armitage.

I have two captians one pure cannon dps tac captian, currently flying patrol escort with just stardard mk x and xi blues and greens, and I have a science captian flying a dssv with mk xi borg tetyron beams and a decent setup with borg set with maco shields mk xii.

I have 2600 zen and was looking at buying a fed ship.

For the longest time I was thinking armitage cause it's a sexy beast and the torp defense system looks cool.

then for some reason i'm looking at the dreadnaught cruiser and can see that it can fit cannons, and it has 4 front and 4 rear plus that lance and cloak. now i've only flown the odd with beams and to be honest it moves like a whale compared to my dssv and patrol.

now i get the fact that the armitage is made of glass compared to the dread...but from a pure cannon dps (which is most likely what we are going to do here, of course feeding the defense system) it seems like a tough choice to choose...

since ideally both captians will have the ship available to them.

i'm geenrally an align to targe and creep along and fire straight ahead until dead (i'm mostly a stf and pve player). and not doing fly bys with my tac, obviously my dssv doesn't work that way.

it took me a long time to build up this zen and would like some feedback and experiences with either or both ships.

thank you in advance fellow captians.

cheers,
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# 2
09-23-2012, 02:39 PM
Easy choice, it's the Armitage. The Dreadnought will only be able to take 1x cannon rapid fire and doesn't turn or fly anywhere near as fast. As for tanking, properly set up a tac/escort is only slightly less tanky then a tac/cruiser.

The dreadnought isn't a bad Fed PvE "DPS" cruiser (though it's quickly becoming obsolete), but in the long run a cannon build Excelsior or Regent will do better damage, simply because they can take 2x cannon rapid fire. On top of that they both have higher turnrates.

Basically the dreadnought does much less damage then an escort and is only slightly more tanky due to an escorts manoeuvrability, bonus defense and skills like APO, TT and APD. Basically an escort, any escort, is a better choice for any career. Trust me, your team mates will thank you for it (if only in their head).

The only thing the dreadnought has going for it is the spinal lance, which while it's very nice, has too long a cool down to be all that useful. the extra aft weapon slot is pretty meaningless in the long term.

As for the Armitage, it's a good and versatile ship. Peregrines give a great boost of dps vs unshielded targets (such as Nanite generators) and Danubes hold a shielded target so you can pummel the same shield facing. Shield repair units are quite useful for buffing a freighters shields in blockade. That said you may begin to find the lack of a Lt Cmdr tactical station annoying.
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# 3
09-24-2012, 07:28 AM
orondis is right,go with the armitage.the turn rate is alot better.I love mine. Iv'e got mine loaded with fighters and delta flyers. have fun.
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# 4
09-24-2012, 07:57 AM
As an owner of the Dreadnaught, I too suggest for your purposes the Escort/Carrier!
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# 5
09-24-2012, 08:02 AM
I'd say that the Armitage is the better choice too.

Don't get me wrong, I own the Dreadnought and think it's a great ship, but it's an aquired taste and takes some getting used to, whereas you can pretty much use the Armitage straight out of the box.

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# 6
09-24-2012, 08:22 AM
The armitage on your tac, and the MVAM on your science character. Boff and console slots is the only reason for this.

The dreadnought actually would be ideal for a Tac cannon character, but it really is too slow too use duals and dual heavies, unless against stationary targets in an STF. But the reason I don't suggest a dread is because it is a beast too learn how too fly. If you look around here on the forums, most people will complain the dread is underpowered. Thats because most people see cloak and phaser lance and think "It's a beast of a cruiser with lots of firepower". And so they use it as a frontline warship, which it is not. It takes a good while too learn how too fly that ship, and it's tough to do so when you get the hang of it. It's not meant for solo play, it's meant too use as heavy sneak burst DPS support in a fleet, and as such, is a very niche ship.

You want something with constantly high DPS? Go armitage route. That things got whales of the stuff with torpedoes, and it's hanger bay gives it versatility. The MVAM is a good chice for your science captain because of it's large amounts of firepower, and the lt. commander science slot, which allows you too keep your nice field control Gravity well. Combine that with a torp spread and it gets awesome.
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# 7
09-24-2012, 09:30 AM
Repeating what the above posters stated.

The dread only has a lt tac spot. It can equip cannons but after that not much else.

The armitage has serious boom and the hanger adds to your fun.

I run runabouts and love them. Seeing them tractor a baddie so i can unload on one facing makes my day.
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# 8
09-24-2012, 10:11 AM
The Dread is a single target burst damage ship, not very useful in PvE, its versatility is useful in blockage but is an issue in other situations. The Armitage is a AoE burst damage ship in PvE, its more adaptable compared to other escorts (minus the MVAM) but it still shoots its way to winning instead having any support capabilities. If you want to PvP the Dread is nice for a tac, not a sci, the Armitage is a good ship overall but a bit too open to PvP disables and holds.
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# 9
09-24-2012, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by nicha0 View Post
The Dread is a single target burst damage ship, not very useful in PvE, its versatility is useful in blockage but is an issue in other situations. The Armitage is a AoE burst damage ship in PvE, its more adaptable compared to other escorts (minus the MVAM) but it still shoots its way to winning instead having any support capabilities. If you want to PvP the Dread is nice for a tac, not a sci, the Armitage is a good ship overall but a bit too open to PvP disables and holds.
that assesmant makes no sense at all...a single target damage ship? srsly? It's an assault cruiser with a semi big gun in front.
what exactle does "blockage" mean, who are you going to block in space?

escort, cruiser...thats the difference. you can't compare them by dmg, armitage will allways come out on top.

"too open to PVP disables and hold" ?? what exactly? i don't know!

my advice to the OP, get the armitage. Awesome escort and the hangar just adds to that.
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# 10
09-24-2012, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by baudl View Post
that assesmant makes no sense at all...a single target damage ship? srsly? It's an assault cruiser with a semi big gun in front.
what exactle does "blockage" mean, who are you going to block in space?

escort, cruiser...thats the difference. you can't compare them by dmg, armitage will allways come out on top.

"too open to PVP disables and hold" ?? what exactly? i don't know!

my advice to the OP, get the armitage. Awesome escort and the hangar just adds to that.
I think he meant blockade. The fleet event.

I think he means that because with only 2 tac boff spots you prolly wont have scatter volley or torp spread meaning the dread with cannons is shootin at one ahip at a time.

I think he means in pvp the dread is susceptible to the debuffs of system disable and holds and such.
****edited cause i cant spell lol***

Last edited by jacenjacen24; 09-24-2012 at 11:18 AM.
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