Star Trek Online The Opening of Temporal Lock Boxes & the Results!
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Career Officer
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# 171
09-28-2012, 12:03 AM
The Ship or the (very rare) Time Doff pack is the only win situation when opening boxes
Lieutenant
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# 172
09-28-2012, 01:09 AM
Quote:
 Originally Posted by v0850 How you came to such big Zen Values ? The mirror ships are about 0,5M EC on exchange for example. If you buy the normal ones at the Shipyard, with exchange from Zen to Dil its a maximum of 625Zen. Also the doff packs, I think the reinforcment doffpack with the chance for tuffli is 259Zen. Ones with no chance for any better than some doffs is 220k EC (and price heavy falling) on exchange (from doffgrinder general for free . Regards
The Math is simple: the reciprocal of a percentage is the number of boxes you need to open on average to obtain the given item. Let's say the Console is at 2,9%, i.e. every 35th box contains a console. So on average you will burn through 35 keys or 35 * 1125 = 3938 Zen.

Yes, you will get some other stuff along the way, but if you are only interested in the Console, that's the price you have to pay. Of course, you can also look at it from the pov, that each item costs 112,5 Zen, (one key), but that wouldn't be honest IMO.

Regards,
Rachel

Last edited by rachelgarrett; 09-28-2012 at 01:12 AM.
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# 173
09-28-2012, 02:06 AM
Quote:
 Originally Posted by v0850 How you came to such big Zen Values ? The mirror ships are about 0,5M EC on exchange for example. If you buy the normal ones at the Shipyard, with exchange from Zen to Dil its a maximum of 625Zen. Also the doff packs, I think the reinforcment doffpack with the chance for tuffli is 259Zen. Ones with no chance for any better than some doffs is 220k EC (and price heavy falling) on exchange (from doffgrinder general for free . Regards
The following Table of costs takes into consideration that you would actually want and need everything that you get from opening the boxes (including each and every common DOff or single Loby Crystal). The prices are normalized, so that adding them up weighted by chance, would yield 112,5 Zen:

Analysis based on 245 Boxes
• Temporal Science Vessel Starship: ~1523 Zen
• Cross-Faction Starship Console: ~328 Zen
• Mirror Universe Ship Pack Recon: ~255 Zen
• Mirror Universe Ship Pack Deep Space: ~383 Zen
• Temporal Duty Officers: ~177 Zen
• Fleet Mark Bonus Pool: ~177 Zen
• Fleet Credit Bonus Pool: ~128 Zen
• Temporal Beacon Storage Device: ~74 Zen
• Polarized Disruptor Weapon Pack: ~55 Zen
• Gamma Quadrant Duty Officer Mini-Pack: ~50 Zen
• Standard Duty Officer Mini-Pack: ~38 Zen
• 1 Loby Crystal: ~1.7 Zen
Again, this table only reflects the individual value of each item, if you actually want and use EVERYTHING the box gives you and don't throw items away in search for something better.

However, if you are after one specific item and don't care about the rest, the following table is for you:
Analysis based on 245 Boxes
• Temporal Science Vessel Starship: ~18281 Zen
• Cross-Faction Starship Console: ~3938 Zen
• Mirror Universe Ship Pack Recon: ~4594 Zen
• Mirror Universe Ship Pack Deep Space: ~3062 Zen
• Temporal Duty Officers: ~2120 Zen
• Fleet Mark Bonus Pool: ~2120 Zen
• Fleet Credit Bonus Pool: ~1531 Zen
• Temporal Beacon Storage Device: ~889Zen
• Polarized Disruptor Weapon Pack: ~656 Zen
• Gamma Quadrant Duty Officer Mini-Pack: ~599 Zen
• Standard Duty Officer Mini-Pack: ~459Zen
• Average Lobi (5.6) per Box: ~20 Zen

Regards,
Rachel

Edit: Added values for time ship based on the report of two other users claiming they found 1 in 10 boxes and 1 in 70 Boxes for a total of 2 in 325 boxes.

Last edited by rachelgarrett; 09-28-2012 at 03:45 AM.
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# 174
09-28-2012, 02:29 AM
You did it your way, Levi, and I did it mine.
Exchanged all my saved Dil for Master keys.
Sold them on the exchange.
Watched the exchange like a hawk.
Someone obviously trying to post their Temporal Science vessel for like 99 million, missed a few zero's and BOOP , Got me a time ship for 9,900 ec.

It's back on the exchange already.
Hope you had fun with the boxes Bro.
I know I had fun on the exchange

Peace
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# 175
09-28-2012, 05:41 AM
Quote:
 Originally Posted by hippiejon You did it your way, Levi, and I did it mine. Exchanged all my saved Dil for Master keys. Sold them on the exchange. Watched the exchange like a hawk. Someone obviously trying to post their Temporal Science vessel for like 99 million, missed a few zero's and BOOP , Got me a time ship for 9,900 ec. It's back on the exchange already. Hope you had fun with the boxes Bro. I know I had fun on the exchange Peace
Hippie that's a bit of bad karma there bro - since it was a huge error on the other persons part and they probably feel horrible - it's like finding someones wallet and not returning it or cellphone or something.

Anyways that's just how I see it. You have their info on the ticket. But it looks like you were looking for some unfortunate soul to make a mistake, I don't know what to say dude.
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# 176
09-28-2012, 06:03 AM
If you get the temporal beacon, you might as well have gotten nothing. I've done 6 temporal assignments, all with purple doffs aligned to the needs of the assignments. Even on critical success, I got blue doffs that are nothing special. There is a small chance of a purple doff. On success you get a green or white doff (again, random). The kicker is, if you get moderate success you get nothing, just CXP. I got moderate 3 times and critical 2 because the percentages assigned to those assignments are horrible.
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# 177
09-28-2012, 06:35 AM
Quote:
 Originally Posted by rachelgarrett The Math is simple: the reciprocal of a percentage is the number of boxes you need to open on average to obtain the given item.[..]
Ah now i get your point

but since there is an exchange in the game it is cheaper to spend 120k EC for a gamma Quadrant Pack
than using some keys worth 1.5M EC just for trying to get this Gamma Quadrant Pack, as example

Regards
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# 178
09-28-2012, 06:43 AM
Biggest part of lockboxes is the result of the more lockboxes come out the more it does not feel like star trek..

You load into a STF or Fleet Event and you see next to you a ferrengi marauder, jem hadar attack ship, a cardassian galor, tholian ship, and a time ship... I am still waiting for a borg lockbox with a elite tactical cube with 10 commander universal stations.
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# 179
09-28-2012, 06:52 AM
Quote:
 Originally Posted by zeuxidemus001 Biggest part of lockboxes is the result of the more lockboxes come out the more it does not feel like star trek.. You load into a STF or Fleet Event and you see next to you a ferrengi marauder, jem hadar attack ship, a cardassian galor, tholian ship, and a time ship... I am still waiting for a borg lockbox with a elite tactical cube with 10 commander universal stations.
I personally never had many moments when I thought this game felt like some concise canon aspect of Trek. From the first day of Headstart, when Sirius was filled with TOS Connies and Mirandas, I knew this game didn't care about its own canon. So, since before Day 1 I knew STO for what it was: an All-Purpose Trek game designed to appease Trek fanboys as much as possible.

The argument about how a Bug or Galor screw with the game are no more valid then how an NX or Miranda screw with the game - as neither makes sense as Faction ships in a 25th Century Trek universe. They're all in the game because some segment of the fan-base geeks-out over getting to use them; and that's all STO really is: a way for Trek fans to geek-out - each fan in his own way.

Last edited by thecosmic1; 09-28-2012 at 07:08 AM.
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# 180
09-28-2012, 06:57 AM
Quote:
 Originally Posted by thecosmic1 I personally never had many moments when I thought this game felt like some concise canon aspect of Trek. From the first day of Headstart, when Sirius was filled with TOS Connies and Mirandas, I knew this game didn't care about its own canon. So, since before Day 1 I knew STO for what it was: an All-Purpose Trek game decided to appease Trek fanboys as much as possible. The argument about how a Bug or Galor screw with the game are no more valid then how an NX or Miranda screw with the game - as neither makes sense as Faction ships in a 25th Century Trek universe. They're all in the game because some segment of the fan-base geeks-out over getting to use them; and that's all STO really is: a way for Trek fans to geek-out - each fan in his own way.
Cosmic you never posted how you did? Being modest I bet you got 3 ships!!

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