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Dear Devs and Community,

I am pleased that the devs have decided to offer a truly Klingon science ship to us. The name, Korath, is charmingly canonical, even though Korath was an honorless Tod'Sah! I only hope that the ship's stats will live up to its very cool design and will truly give us a competitive science ship.

The only thing on my wishlist is that the ship could be offered both in the lockbox and in the C-store. I enjoy playing the lock boxes and anticipate that this particular box will be wildly successful, esp. given the other cool items being offered (great work devs!). But when it comes to ships, and especially one that I think the KDF really needs (a KDF science), I would also appreciate the option to just pay outright for it. Plus, from my perspective as a player, buying a KDF item directly seems to cast a stronger vote of support for the KDF than simply buy lockbox keys, which are faction neutral.

On a more personal note, Warrior's Way is also planning on doing some kind of ship review (exact format undetermined [radio interview on Priority 1, blog review, etc.?]). And I would very much like to fly the ship before I review it. If it were offered in C-Store, I could test it guaranteed; in lockbox, nothing is certain.

My Proposal: Offer the ship in both venues--C-Store and Lockbox for those of us who would rather not play the lottery.

What do my fellow KDF players think? Good idea? Bad idea?

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# 2
09-24-2012, 09:50 PM
I approve of the KDF lock box ships being in the C-store. My thoughts on what Lock Box ships were supposed to be were faction neutral like the Galor and D'kora.

Really this was a missed opportunity to give the KDF 3 (including the 2 Lobi store ships), new c-store ships.

I'd much rather see account unlocks than simply character unlocks. Speaking of the ships, a science and an escort. I really have no need for those. I own the B'rel Retorfit, Guramba Destroyer (so there is an escort and a ship I can use for the nerffed science class).

I recently while gathering Lobi managed to get a Tholian Orb Weaver, after over 250+ lockboxes (including Cardassian and Ferengi ones mind you), just goes to show how against you the odds really are.
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# 3
09-24-2012, 10:12 PM
I do think an opportunity was missed here to offer C-Store ships, but I don't think that the opportunity is yet lost. What i propose above is a way to have both.

majesticmsfc: x250 boxes . . . oh my word! Dare I ask, was it worth the hard work?

The account-wide unlock, of course, is one way in which the C-Store ships would be different from the lockbox ships.

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# 4
09-24-2012, 10:20 PM
If you notice and are able to read between the disgusting promotional talk and self-congratulation of their lockbox announcement you will notice:


1- The ships have consoles.
2- There is more than 1 ship per side coming in lockboxes.
3- Each side received an = design ship (just different skin).


Now, what does that tell you? INDEED! That the Wells and Korath were originally z-store ships and the lockbox ships originally were to be the mirror universe versions... but since they want to push the idiotic gamble-for-stuff market they were ALL turned into lockbox ships.

Better yet, among the other stuff are items that further push people into gambling with the lockboxes: console set that not only give per-item bonus...but also a set bonus.. BUT GET THIS! Also gives BONUSES if you put them in one of the lockbox ships that was originally a z-store ship... AND it gets a boost if you also put the console that comes from the mirrror universe ship!

I see now this is the future of the game. New ship releases will be lockbox. Knowing that I logged in my char tonight, looked at the zen I had saved for my alleged new science ship .. and knew I would not buy a single key...ever... with that zen.

The fun of the game simply left me. Logged off without even playing.

I haven't had this feeling of utter disgust with a company since SOE released the NGE path in Star Wars Galaxies.
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# 5
09-24-2012, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by cmdrskyfaller View Post
If you notice and are able to read between the disgusting promotional talk and self-congratulation of their lockbox announcement you will notice:


1- The ships have consoles.
2- There is more than 1 ship per side coming in lockboxes.
3- Each side received an = design ship (just different skin).


Now, what does that tell you? INDEED! That the Wells and Korath were originally z-store ships and the lockbox ships originally were to be the mirror universe versions... but since they want to push the idiotic gamble-for-stuff market they were ALL turned into lockbox ships.

Better yet, among the other stuff are items that further push people into gambling with the lockboxes: console set that not only give per-item bonus...but also a set bonus.. BUT GET THIS! Also gives BONUSES if you put them in one of the lockbox ships that was originally a z-store ship... AND it gets a boost if you also put the console that comes from the mirrror universe ship!

I see now this is the future of the game. New ship releases will be lockbox. Knowing that I logged in my char tonight, looked at the zen I had saved for my alleged new science ship .. and knew I would not buy a single key...ever... with that zen.

The fun of the game simply left me. Logged off without even playing.

I haven't had this feeling of utter disgust with a company since SOE released the NGE path in Star Wars Galaxies.
cmdrskyfaller (I love this name, by the way!):

I am not sure I entirely agree with your reasoning, esp. on the issue of consoles. If applied to the Tholian Orb Weaver, we would have to assume that it too was meant to be a C-Store ship, since it has a universal console as well. Alternatively, maybe we are simply seeing a new trend in ship selling, namely that consoles will no longer be C-Store only items. Or perhaps I am missing something?

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# 6
09-24-2012, 10:45 PM
Tholian ships are faction neutral.

Wells and Korath are quite faction specific. That alone says they should've and likely were supposed to be z-store ships.

The mirror universe variants while still faction specific would be mirror versions like the cruisers released earlier.
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# 7
09-24-2012, 10:56 PM
These are all good points. Still, I am not entirely sure we can reconstruct the decision-making process so cleanly on this end of the decision. We simply don't have enough data, and with the great success of the Tholian Lock Box it would come as no surprise to see the devs begin to put higher value items (i.e., ships with consoles, and even faction-specific ships) into the Lock Box. They may be riding a wave here.

So perhaps we are seeing a new trend in lock box sales, one which may have been present from the very beginning of the deisng of the Wells/Korath. Or perhaps, as you suggest, they were originally C-store ships. We don't have enough evidence to say either way.

Whatever the case may be, the goal of this thread is to advocate for both the lock box and C-store to be used as selling platforms for the KDF Science ship, since KDF clearly has a dearth of viable science ships. I think it would be good for the devs to know that we would like better options when it comes to acquiring the Korath ship.

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# 8
09-24-2012, 11:26 PM
I'm sorry you KDF folks won't be getting a new KDF C-store ship to match the soon-to-be-released Vesta.

If Cryptic pulls a gecko out of their aft docking bay and does release a C-store ship alongside the Vesta for you guys, well, consider the above comment null and void.
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# 9
09-25-2012, 12:54 AM
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majesticmsfc: x250 boxes . . . oh my word! Dare I ask, was it worth the hard work?
No not really, I wasn't even after the Tholian ship, was collecting the Lobi to buy some Lobi store items. Which it in itself are overpriced, but since I had grinded up over 9,000 Zen and nothing to spend it on I thought why not. It's not like I can't get that 9,000 again. I usually can grind 2,000 a week with my 16 characters, just doing dailies that don't take long. Now if the KDF had some decent C-store items like costumes and such I would've spent it on them in a heart beat. Ultimately the sale on Keys encouraged me to spend the money, a lot of junk are still in those boxes, such as those pointless Fleet Credit boosts.

Point of the thing is, I have the Galor and D'Kora both bought from the Exchange and is a much better way to get these lock box ships if one is interested in them. Let another player waste the money and you can just buy it off him for 50-100 million EC depending on the price they are asking.
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We can tell our great grandchildren, "In my day, our cloaks were so sensitive that even dialogue broke them and we couldn't change our clothes!"
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# 10
09-25-2012, 05:14 AM
From my point of view it appears that from now on "newly released Klingon ships" means "single-character-unlock-lottery-box-ships".
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